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Attributes | |
ACN | 540485 |
Time | |
Date | 200203 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mdlr.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl single value : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Weather Elements | Rain Thunderstorm other |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : mdlr.tower tower : tpa.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 45 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 540485 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : fmc other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Weather ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Approaching la romana, dominican republic (mdlr), had pre-briefed a VOR teardrop runway 11 approach with plan to break off and shoot straight in visual upon sighting field. Had discussed setting up FMS glide path non- precision approach guidance for practice and to back up visual guidance to field. Approaching airport, radar showed strong returns and twring cumulus clouds were visible in area. On let down, visibility below cloud bases (2500-3000 ft MSL) was generally good, with less visibility in the distance where rain was visible. Coordinated with arrival/approach to vector across final to south of airport over ocean to hold and look at WX situation. At this time, airport reported 'thunderstorm' overhead, heavy rain. Radar showed heavy returns. South of field was daylight VMC, no ceiling scattered clouds 3000 ft MSL, unlimited visibility. Published approach had no FAF but was a base turn from overhead VOR at field to final straight in. We were holding south of extension of final, observing WX and getting reports. After 10 mins tower reported rain off field, 2500 ft ceiling, 7 KM visibility winds calm. We could see area of field from our position just below base of clouds, although rain between our position and the field made determination of visibility difficult. Requested direct to 11 DME on VOR final to line up and acquire runway. Some language difficulty with controller as far as actual clearance. We made it clear that we planned to proceed direct to this fix and come straight-in on final to avoid WX north of field. We were in radar contact on vectors at 3000 ft MSL. MSA for our position was 2000 ft MSL, but controller would not give us lower than 3000 ft till established on final. I was reluctant to accept visual because of rain, even though field was being called VFR. Controller cleared us to the fix and for the approach. We did not call the field right away, which in retrospect raises the question, what kind of approach were we actually cleared for? He never actually said 'cleared visual approach,' he just said 'cleared approach' and we were so busy evaluating our marginal visibility conditions, and trying not to lose track of our position visually and backing that up with the VOR final and glide path in the FMC that we did not think to question it. There is no published straight in approach in our commercial chart provider for this runway, and yet, as we lined up on final, the rain caused us to rely heavily on the VOR/FMC guidance for the final section of the VOR base that lines up with the landing runway. I called runway in sight through the rain, and encountered general VMC (no rain). On about 4 mi final, tower cleared us to land. Marginal VFR conditions existed while in the rain for a couple of mi on final. Used the VOR final and published minimums to back ourselves up, but we could not actually have been shooting that approach because we intercepted it inside the IAF, with no published FAF. Moral of the story, shoot the whole approach if WX is questionable, and make certain what the controllers have cleared you to do (complicated by language difficulties). Landing uneventful.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-800 CREW HAD CONFUSION ON JUST WHAT APCH THEY WERE CLRED FOR AT MDLR.
Narrative: APCHING LA ROMANA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC (MDLR), HAD PRE-BRIEFED A VOR TEARDROP RWY 11 APCH WITH PLAN TO BREAK OFF AND SHOOT STRAIGHT IN VISUAL UPON SIGHTING FIELD. HAD DISCUSSED SETTING UP FMS GLIDE PATH NON- PRECISION APCH GUIDANCE FOR PRACTICE AND TO BACK UP VISUAL GUIDANCE TO FIELD. APCHING ARPT, RADAR SHOWED STRONG RETURNS AND TWRING CUMULUS CLOUDS WERE VISIBLE IN AREA. ON LET DOWN, VISIBILITY BELOW CLOUD BASES (2500-3000 FT MSL) WAS GENERALLY GOOD, WITH LESS VISIBILITY IN THE DISTANCE WHERE RAIN WAS VISIBLE. COORDINATED WITH ARR/APCH TO VECTOR ACROSS FINAL TO S OF ARPT OVER OCEAN TO HOLD AND LOOK AT WX SIT. AT THIS TIME, ARPT RPTED 'TSTM' OVERHEAD, HVY RAIN. RADAR SHOWED HVY RETURNS. S OF FIELD WAS DAYLIGHT VMC, NO CEILING SCATTERED CLOUDS 3000 FT MSL, UNLIMITED VISIBILITY. PUBLISHED APCH HAD NO FAF BUT WAS A BASE TURN FROM OVERHEAD VOR AT FIELD TO FINAL STRAIGHT IN. WE WERE HOLDING S OF EXTENSION OF FINAL, OBSERVING WX AND GETTING RPTS. AFTER 10 MINS TWR RPTED RAIN OFF FIELD, 2500 FT CEILING, 7 KM VISIBILITY WINDS CALM. WE COULD SEE AREA OF FIELD FROM OUR POS JUST BELOW BASE OF CLOUDS, ALTHOUGH RAIN BTWN OUR POS AND THE FIELD MADE DETERMINATION OF VISIBILITY DIFFICULT. REQUESTED DIRECT TO 11 DME ON VOR FINAL TO LINE UP AND ACQUIRE RWY. SOME LANGUAGE DIFFICULTY WITH CTLR AS FAR AS ACTUAL CLRNC. WE MADE IT CLR THAT WE PLANNED TO PROCEED DIRECT TO THIS FIX AND COME STRAIGHT-IN ON FINAL TO AVOID WX N OF FIELD. WE WERE IN RADAR CONTACT ON VECTORS AT 3000 FT MSL. MSA FOR OUR POS WAS 2000 FT MSL, BUT CTLR WOULD NOT GIVE US LOWER THAN 3000 FT TILL ESTABLISHED ON FINAL. I WAS RELUCTANT TO ACCEPT VISUAL BECAUSE OF RAIN, EVEN THOUGH FIELD WAS BEING CALLED VFR. CTLR CLRED US TO THE FIX AND FOR THE APCH. WE DID NOT CALL THE FIELD RIGHT AWAY, WHICH IN RETROSPECT RAISES THE QUESTION, WHAT KIND OF APCH WERE WE ACTUALLY CLRED FOR? HE NEVER ACTUALLY SAID 'CLRED VISUAL APCH,' HE JUST SAID 'CLRED APCH' AND WE WERE SO BUSY EVALUATING OUR MARGINAL VISIBILITY CONDITIONS, AND TRYING NOT TO LOSE TRACK OF OUR POS VISUALLY AND BACKING THAT UP WITH THE VOR FINAL AND GLIDE PATH IN THE FMC THAT WE DID NOT THINK TO QUESTION IT. THERE IS NO PUBLISHED STRAIGHT IN APCH IN OUR COMMERCIAL CHART PROVIDER FOR THIS RWY, AND YET, AS WE LINED UP ON FINAL, THE RAIN CAUSED US TO RELY HEAVILY ON THE VOR/FMC GUIDANCE FOR THE FINAL SECTION OF THE VOR BASE THAT LINES UP WITH THE LNDG RWY. I CALLED RWY IN SIGHT THROUGH THE RAIN, AND ENCOUNTERED GENERAL VMC (NO RAIN). ON ABOUT 4 MI FINAL, TWR CLRED US TO LAND. MARGINAL VFR CONDITIONS EXISTED WHILE IN THE RAIN FOR A COUPLE OF MI ON FINAL. USED THE VOR FINAL AND PUBLISHED MINIMUMS TO BACK OURSELVES UP, BUT WE COULD NOT ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN SHOOTING THAT APCH BECAUSE WE INTERCEPTED IT INSIDE THE IAF, WITH NO PUBLISHED FAF. MORAL OF THE STORY, SHOOT THE WHOLE APCH IF WX IS QUESTIONABLE, AND MAKE CERTAIN WHAT THE CTLRS HAVE CLRED YOU TO DO (COMPLICATED BY LANGUAGE DIFFICULTIES). LNDG UNEVENTFUL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.