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Attributes | |
ACN | 541779 |
Time | |
Date | 200203 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sdl.airport |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl single value : 3700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : p50.tracon tower : sdl.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Conquest I/Conquest II |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sdl.tower |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 140 flight time total : 4560 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 541779 |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action flight crew : exited penetrated airspace |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : sdl.tower |
Narrative:
I was new to this airport and told approach I was unfamiliar with area. He was giving me heading to airport. At 6 NM, I saw scottsdale airport. Approach told me to squawk 1200 and contact the tower. I called 6 mi out with altitude and ATIS, information for landing, right base runway 21. I got no reply. My airspeed was 120 KTS. The next thing I heard was a garbled transmission from another aircraft trying to call the tower. This garbled transmission went on for 10 seconds. Then the tower controller said he was unable to copy whoever was calling him. Then another garbled transmission came from the same aircraft and another exchange from the tower. By this time, I was closing in on the airport at 3600 ft and had not been able to get response from my first call. So I turned right 180 degrees to get out of any possible conflicts. As I was in the turn heading away from the airport to the northwest, the radio conversation between tower and garbled aircraft stopped. So I tried contacting tower and asked if he copied me. He said yes, and I gave him my location and he said 'you're 2 mi inside my airspace. If you had been here 2 mins ago, you would have messed things up' with a very loud and mad voice, telling me he was really mad at me. I asked if he wanted me to report overhead the airport for left traffic on right base runway 21. He said 'make right downwind to follow another aircraft.' then he proceeded to tell me I had deviated from the rules of communication with tower. I told him I had tried to call and then turned away from the airport. Her said 'if you want to continue the conversation, call me on the phone, and for now, don't do that again.' he was so mad and demeaning it was the worst experience I have ever had. In the future, I will make every effort to stay well outside the class D airspace with going into new and unfamiliar area. P.south. If this tower had radar, then approach should have handed me over to the tower for trying to find the airport. And my altitude was well above the traffic pattern when I was coming into class D airspace.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C425 PLT ENTERS SDL CLASS D AIRSPACE WITHOUT A CLRNC AND RECEIVES UNNECESSARY VERBAL CHASTISEMENT.
Narrative: I WAS NEW TO THIS ARPT AND TOLD APCH I WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH AREA. HE WAS GIVING ME HDG TO ARPT. AT 6 NM, I SAW SCOTTSDALE ARPT. APCH TOLD ME TO SQUAWK 1200 AND CONTACT THE TWR. I CALLED 6 MI OUT WITH ALT AND ATIS, INFO FOR LNDG, R BASE RWY 21. I GOT NO REPLY. MY AIRSPD WAS 120 KTS. THE NEXT THING I HEARD WAS A GARBLED XMISSION FROM ANOTHER ACFT TRYING TO CALL THE TWR. THIS GARBLED XMISSION WENT ON FOR 10 SECONDS. THEN THE TWR CTLR SAID HE WAS UNABLE TO COPY WHOEVER WAS CALLING HIM. THEN ANOTHER GARBLED XMISSION CAME FROM THE SAME ACFT AND ANOTHER EXCHANGE FROM THE TWR. BY THIS TIME, I WAS CLOSING IN ON THE ARPT AT 3600 FT AND HAD NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET RESPONSE FROM MY FIRST CALL. SO I TURNED R 180 DEGS TO GET OUT OF ANY POSSIBLE CONFLICTS. AS I WAS IN THE TURN HEADING AWAY FROM THE ARPT TO THE NW, THE RADIO CONVERSATION BTWN TWR AND GARBLED ACFT STOPPED. SO I TRIED CONTACTING TWR AND ASKED IF HE COPIED ME. HE SAID YES, AND I GAVE HIM MY LOCATION AND HE SAID 'YOU'RE 2 MI INSIDE MY AIRSPACE. IF YOU HAD BEEN HERE 2 MINS AGO, YOU WOULD HAVE MESSED THINGS UP' WITH A VERY LOUD AND MAD VOICE, TELLING ME HE WAS REALLY MAD AT ME. I ASKED IF HE WANTED ME TO RPT OVERHEAD THE ARPT FOR L TFC ON R BASE RWY 21. HE SAID 'MAKE R DOWNWIND TO FOLLOW ANOTHER ACFT.' THEN HE PROCEEDED TO TELL ME I HAD DEVIATED FROM THE RULES OF COM WITH TWR. I TOLD HIM I HAD TRIED TO CALL AND THEN TURNED AWAY FROM THE ARPT. HER SAID 'IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, CALL ME ON THE PHONE, AND FOR NOW, DON'T DO THAT AGAIN.' HE WAS SO MAD AND DEMEANING IT WAS THE WORST EXPERIENCE I HAVE EVER HAD. IN THE FUTURE, I WILL MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO STAY WELL OUTSIDE THE CLASS D AIRSPACE WITH GOING INTO NEW AND UNFAMILIAR AREA. P.S. IF THIS TWR HAD RADAR, THEN APCH SHOULD HAVE HANDED ME OVER TO THE TWR FOR TRYING TO FIND THE ARPT. AND MY ALT WAS WELL ABOVE THE TFC PATTERN WHEN I WAS COMING INTO CLASS D AIRSPACE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.