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Attributes | |
ACN | 543005 |
Time | |
Date | 200204 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl single value : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Brasilia EMB-120 All Series |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Cessna Citation Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 2700 flight time type : 680 |
ASRS Report | 543005 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action none taken : detected after the fact other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 800 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
After departure from atl on runway 8R, we climbed to our initial altitude of 4000 ft and turned to our assigned heading of 330 degrees. When we switched from tower to departure, he gave us one more turn in that same general direction, but did not give us a higher altitude as they usually do (usually 10000 ft). It was VFR and the controller was very busy. I stated to the captain we were going straight for pdk, which was at our 12 O'clock position and about 5 mi. We were still at 4000 ft and couldn't get through to departure control to ask for higher due to frequency congestion. We received an aural TCASII alert and spotted a citation climbing north out of pdk. It was 800 ft below us and climbing and traveling left to right to our front. We estimated it at 1 mi or less in distance. We turned left 20 degrees and climbed to 200 ft above our 4000 ft assigned altitude for collision avoidance. We finally got through to ATC and asked him about the traffic and if it was IFR. He said they were checking into it. Shortly thereafter, we received a climb. I believe ATC forgot to climb us, or ATC at pdk mistakenly turned and climbed the citation towards us on his takeoff. Either he should not have been cleared for takeoff if they wanted us at 4000 ft, or our ATC should have climbed us way before they did.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EMB FLC HAD LESS THAN LEGAL SEPARATION IN ATL CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Narrative: AFTER DEP FROM ATL ON RWY 8R, WE CLBED TO OUR INITIAL ALT OF 4000 FT AND TURNED TO OUR ASSIGNED HDG OF 330 DEGS. WHEN WE SWITCHED FROM TWR TO DEP, HE GAVE US ONE MORE TURN IN THAT SAME GENERAL DIRECTION, BUT DID NOT GIVE US A HIGHER ALT AS THEY USUALLY DO (USUALLY 10000 FT). IT WAS VFR AND THE CTLR WAS VERY BUSY. I STATED TO THE CAPT WE WERE GOING STRAIGHT FOR PDK, WHICH WAS AT OUR 12 O'CLOCK POS AND ABOUT 5 MI. WE WERE STILL AT 4000 FT AND COULDN'T GET THROUGH TO DEP CTL TO ASK FOR HIGHER DUE TO FREQ CONGESTION. WE RECEIVED AN AURAL TCASII ALERT AND SPOTTED A CITATION CLBING N OUT OF PDK. IT WAS 800 FT BELOW US AND CLBING AND TRAVELING L TO R TO OUR FRONT. WE ESTIMATED IT AT 1 MI OR LESS IN DISTANCE. WE TURNED L 20 DEGS AND CLBED TO 200 FT ABOVE OUR 4000 FT ASSIGNED ALT FOR COLLISION AVOIDANCE. WE FINALLY GOT THROUGH TO ATC AND ASKED HIM ABOUT THE TFC AND IF IT WAS IFR. HE SAID THEY WERE CHKING INTO IT. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, WE RECEIVED A CLB. I BELIEVE ATC FORGOT TO CLB US, OR ATC AT PDK MISTAKENLY TURNED AND CLBED THE CITATION TOWARDS US ON HIS TKOF. EITHER HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CLRED FOR TKOF IF THEY WANTED US AT 4000 FT, OR OUR ATC SHOULD HAVE CLBED US WAY BEFORE THEY DID.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.