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Attributes | |
ACN | 544711 |
Time | |
Date | 200204 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : blh.vortac |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc tower : jvl.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | PA-44 Seminole Turbo Seminole |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : private pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 350 flight time type : 60 |
ASRS Report | 544711 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Company |
Primary Problem | Company |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The mission was a cross country dual crew training flight to ontario, ca. The purpose was to build multi-engine flight time and gain experience in a CRM related environment. I had the duty of flying the aircraft. My partner was responsible for communicating with ATC. The WX ahead did not appear to be safe to proceed on course, so we requested IFR back. ATC turned us around and gave us an altitude change. My partner read back the information. My hands were tied with flying the aircraft and making navigation changes. To verify the altitude assigned, I asked my partner. I heard 'eleven thousand.' I began climbing and control came on and said 'expedite seven thousand.' by this time I was at 9000 ft. Another aircraft was proceeding toward us and we interrupted IFR separation. I took responsibility because I am a cfii/mei student and my partner is only a private multi student. Prior to flight, I was a little concerned about not knowing his plting skills. We were paired together to simulate an airline mission. The problem is the difference between the experience levels. I have no excuses. It is my job to listen carefully to control at all times. Unfortunately, I had to verify with my partner, and received a false assignment. There was an obvious misunderstanding between us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PA44 PLTS DID NOT INSURE THEY KNEW THE ALT CHANGE GIVEN THEM BY THE ARTCC RADAR CTLR IN ZLA CLASS E.
Narrative: THE MISSION WAS A XCOUNTRY DUAL CREW TRAINING FLT TO ONTARIO, CA. THE PURPOSE WAS TO BUILD MULTI-ENG FLT TIME AND GAIN EXPERIENCE IN A CRM RELATED ENVIRONMENT. I HAD THE DUTY OF FLYING THE ACFT. MY PARTNER WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR COMMUNICATING WITH ATC. THE WX AHEAD DID NOT APPEAR TO BE SAFE TO PROCEED ON COURSE, SO WE REQUESTED IFR BACK. ATC TURNED US AROUND AND GAVE US AN ALT CHANGE. MY PARTNER READ BACK THE INFO. MY HANDS WERE TIED WITH FLYING THE ACFT AND MAKING NAV CHANGES. TO VERIFY THE ALT ASSIGNED, I ASKED MY PARTNER. I HEARD 'ELEVEN THOUSAND.' I BEGAN CLBING AND CTL CAME ON AND SAID 'EXPEDITE SEVEN THOUSAND.' BY THIS TIME I WAS AT 9000 FT. ANOTHER ACFT WAS PROCEEDING TOWARD US AND WE INTERRUPTED IFR SEPARATION. I TOOK RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE I AM A CFII/MEI STUDENT AND MY PARTNER IS ONLY A PVT MULTI STUDENT. PRIOR TO FLT, I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT NOT KNOWING HIS PLTING SKILLS. WE WERE PAIRED TOGETHER TO SIMULATE AN AIRLINE MISSION. THE PROB IS THE DIFFERENCE BTWN THE EXPERIENCE LEVELS. I HAVE NO EXCUSES. IT IS MY JOB TO LISTEN CAREFULLY TO CTL AT ALL TIMES. UNFORTUNATELY, I HAD TO VERIFY WITH MY PARTNER, AND RECEIVED A FALSE ASSIGNMENT. THERE WAS AN OBVIOUS MISUNDERSTANDING BTWN US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.