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Attributes | |
ACN | 546343 |
Time | |
Date | 200205 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dvt.airport |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | PA-44 Seminole Turbo Seminole |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dvt.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna Single Piston Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 1100 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 546343 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3250 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was on mei training flight as the CFI. Student had simulated single engine with simulated gear failure. Upon landing, we looked to far end of runway and watched cessna taxi off runway onto taxiway. Cessna clearly on runway still exiting as we began braking. Runway 4500 ft. We were approximately 500 ft down approach end. Cessna exiting about 500 ft from departure end. We are not 100% positive that a go around was not issued by tower. Tower said nothing and ground said nothing. Maybe no rule was broken. I have heard tower allow lndgs when aircraft separation would be at least 3000 ft. Usually tower verified clear to land, separation enough. Not this time. Contributing factors were me instructing student with 2 failures and high workload. We had been cleared to land during downwind.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PA44 INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT LANDED AT DVT PRIOR TO PRECEDING ACFT CLRING THE RWY.
Narrative: I WAS ON MEI TRAINING FLT AS THE CFI. STUDENT HAD SIMULATED SINGLE ENG WITH SIMULATED GEAR FAILURE. UPON LNDG, WE LOOKED TO FAR END OF RWY AND WATCHED CESSNA TAXI OFF RWY ONTO TXWY. CESSNA CLRLY ON RWY STILL EXITING AS WE BEGAN BRAKING. RWY 4500 FT. WE WERE APPROX 500 FT DOWN APCH END. CESSNA EXITING ABOUT 500 FT FROM DEP END. WE ARE NOT 100% POSITIVE THAT A GAR WAS NOT ISSUED BY TWR. TWR SAID NOTHING AND GND SAID NOTHING. MAYBE NO RULE WAS BROKEN. I HAVE HEARD TWR ALLOW LNDGS WHEN ACFT SEPARATION WOULD BE AT LEAST 3000 FT. USUALLY TWR VERIFIED CLR TO LAND, SEPARATION ENOUGH. NOT THIS TIME. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS WERE ME INSTRUCTING STUDENT WITH 2 FAILURES AND HIGH WORKLOAD. WE HAD BEEN CLRED TO LAND DURING DOWNWIND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.