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B757 flight crew miss turn on new STAR inbound to phx and attribute the deviation to intersection name confused with STAR name.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 547630 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200205 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | intersection : duwop |
| State Reference | AZ |
| Altitude | msl single value : 8000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc tracon : p50.tracon tower : fll.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
| Route In Use | arrival star : brusr |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 21600 flight time type : 9800 |
| ASRS Report | 547630 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| Chart | star : brusr |
Narrative:
This flight was from las to phx. We were filed and initially flew the mahem arrival to phx. There was a period of time that ZAB had a stuck microphone. When that cleared up we were vectored off the mahem RNAV arrival and then reclred via the brusr arrival. Abq had a lot of catching up to do and was talking a mi a min. These stars are almost identical except we missed an RNAV turn to the east at duwop intersection as called for only on the mahem. There is a brusr arrival and a mahem arrival which contains a brusr intersection. Brusr intersection is on both arrs and is a major crossing fix with a speed and altitude. The choice of names of the arrs, with brusr being such a prominent fix on 'both' stars, leaves a lot to be desired. We were asked and complied with a request to call the phx approach supervisor. He told me that there was no conflict and that there are many problems with the new RNAV approachs to phx. I suggest that the arrs names be changed to mahem and duwop. Please drop brusr as a name of a STAR. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: TRACON specialist advised that the FAA is in close consultation with all users. The aviation community provides input for clarification and improvement. As a result of this input, the specialist advised that the mahem STAR will delete FMS waypoints after gdale intersection and replace them with 'expect vectors to final,' and delete waypoints after bline intersection and replace with 'expect vectors to final.' the specialist advised that there were very few other complaints about both stars and they have not received industry supportive requests for further changes. The TRACON and tower resolve most questions, concerns and complaints directly with the effected flight crew. The specialist advised that the close-in waypoints -- after gdale and bline -- have caused inconsistent equipment indent and flight tracking to those waypoints and it has been determined that controller radar vectors were more efficient in the long run.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 FLC MISS TURN ON NEW STAR INBOUND TO PHX AND ATTRIBUTE THE DEV TO INTXN NAME CONFUSED WITH STAR NAME.
Narrative: THIS FLT WAS FROM LAS TO PHX. WE WERE FILED AND INITIALLY FLEW THE MAHEM ARR TO PHX. THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME THAT ZAB HAD A STUCK MIKE. WHEN THAT CLRED UP WE WERE VECTORED OFF THE MAHEM RNAV ARR AND THEN RECLRED VIA THE BRUSR ARR. ABQ HAD A LOT OF CATCHING UP TO DO AND WAS TALKING A MI A MIN. THESE STARS ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL EXCEPT WE MISSED AN RNAV TURN TO THE E AT DUWOP INTXN AS CALLED FOR ONLY ON THE MAHEM. THERE IS A BRUSR ARR AND A MAHEM ARR WHICH CONTAINS A BRUSR INTXN. BRUSR INTXN IS ON BOTH ARRS AND IS A MAJOR XING FIX WITH A SPD AND ALT. THE CHOICE OF NAMES OF THE ARRS, WITH BRUSR BEING SUCH A PROMINENT FIX ON 'BOTH' STARS, LEAVES A LOT TO BE DESIRED. WE WERE ASKED AND COMPLIED WITH A REQUEST TO CALL THE PHX APCH SUPVR. HE TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS NO CONFLICT AND THAT THERE ARE MANY PROBS WITH THE NEW RNAV APCHS TO PHX. I SUGGEST THAT THE ARRS NAMES BE CHANGED TO MAHEM AND DUWOP. PLEASE DROP BRUSR AS A NAME OF A STAR. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: TRACON SPECIALIST ADVISED THAT THE FAA IS IN CLOSE CONSULTATION WITH ALL USERS. THE AVIATION COMMUNITY PROVIDES INPUT FOR CLARIFICATION AND IMPROVEMENT. AS A RESULT OF THIS INPUT, THE SPECIALIST ADVISED THAT THE MAHEM STAR WILL DELETE FMS WAYPOINTS AFTER GDALE INTXN AND REPLACE THEM WITH 'EXPECT VECTORS TO FINAL,' AND DELETE WAYPOINTS AFTER BLINE INTXN AND REPLACE WITH 'EXPECT VECTORS TO FINAL.' THE SPECIALIST ADVISED THAT THERE WERE VERY FEW OTHER COMPLAINTS ABOUT BOTH STARS AND THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED INDUSTRY SUPPORTIVE REQUESTS FOR FURTHER CHANGES. THE TRACON AND TWR RESOLVE MOST QUESTIONS, CONCERNS AND COMPLAINTS DIRECTLY WITH THE EFFECTED FLC. THE SPECIALIST ADVISED THAT THE CLOSE-IN WAYPOINTS -- AFTER GDALE AND BLINE -- HAVE CAUSED INCONSISTENT EQUIP INDENT AND FLT TRACKING TO THOSE WAYPOINTS AND IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT CTLR RADAR VECTORS WERE MORE EFFICIENT IN THE LONG RUN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.