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Attributes | |
ACN | 548951 |
Time | |
Date | 200205 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : stl.airport |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : stl.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time total : 13500 |
ASRS Report | 548951 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 23000 flight time type : 10000 |
ASRS Report | 548398 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : taxiway non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
During taxi out of stl, ATC issued a clearance that was partially blocked. The transmission we heard was 'right turn on taxiway papa and then wait for an opposite direction challenger to cross, then continue to runway 30R.' we were holding short of runway 30L at taxiway north at the time. The captain and I both looked at each other and questioned if we were 'cleared to cross RWY30L.' I made the call to ground to verify if we were indeed 'cleared to cross runway 30L.' the controller quickly responded in a rather annoyed tone stating, 'yes, company X cross runway 30L at november, right turn on taxiway P and wait by taxiway right for an opposite direction rj to cross and then continue to runway 30R.' I read back the clearance as best as I could, but was confused with the controller's phraseology of 'wait by taxiway right for opposite direction traffic.' at this time we were heading north on november, the rj traffic was out of sight, pointing south on sierra north of taxiway P. As we approached taxiway right, ATC cleared an air carrier XXX MD80 to cross runway 30L at taxiway right without delay because an aircraft was on short final for runway 30L. ATC also stated that he would be following company ahead and to your left to runway 30R (us). The captain slowed down prior to taxiway right because the MD80 was clearing runway 30L rather quickly. At this time, I spotted the rj that was still parked on sierra north of taxiway P. We both came to the conclusion that the rj was going to cross taxiway P, south on sierra to runway 30L. With that in mind and the MD80 given clearance to follow us to runway 30R, we continued to runway 30R passing intersection taxiway right and taxiway P. This is when ground came across with a rather inappropriate comment, 'company X (us), how is that rj supposed to taxi through you on taxiway P?' I responded with 'we're sorry, we thought the rj was going to 'cross' in front of us to runway 30L.' the controller then stated 'company, just continue.' it took us almost 1/2 the flight from stl to dtw to finally realize what the controller had intended to happen. If the controller would have used standard phraseology and said 'cross runway 30L at taxiway north, right on taxiway P and hold short of taxiway right' the situation would have been different. We would both have known without a doubt what our taxi instructions would have been. The controller's use of nonstandard phraseology and somewhat ambiguous instructions forced us to try and guess what the controller really wanted. We guessed wrong. In the future, the wisest thing to do with an annoyed controller, busy frequency and ambiguous instructions would be to cross the active runway and set the parking brake until the entire clearance can be verified.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC RECEIVES CONFUSING TAXI CLRNC.
Narrative: DURING TAXI OUT OF STL, ATC ISSUED A CLRNC THAT WAS PARTIALLY BLOCKED. THE XMISSION WE HEARD WAS 'R TURN ON TXWY PAPA AND THEN WAIT FOR AN OPPOSITE DIRECTION CHALLENGER TO CROSS, THEN CONTINUE TO RWY 30R.' WE WERE HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 30L AT TXWY N AT THE TIME. THE CAPT AND I BOTH LOOKED AT EACH OTHER AND QUESTIONED IF WE WERE 'CLRED TO CROSS RWY30L.' I MADE THE CALL TO GND TO VERIFY IF WE WERE INDEED 'CLRED TO CROSS RWY 30L.' THE CTLR QUICKLY RESPONDED IN A RATHER ANNOYED TONE STATING, 'YES, COMPANY X CROSS RWY 30L AT NOVEMBER, R TURN ON TXWY P AND WAIT BY TXWY R FOR AN OPPOSITE DIRECTION RJ TO CROSS AND THEN CONTINUE TO RWY 30R.' I READ BACK THE CLRNC AS BEST AS I COULD, BUT WAS CONFUSED WITH THE CTLR'S PHRASEOLOGY OF 'WAIT BY TXWY R FOR OPPOSITE DIRECTION TFC.' AT THIS TIME WE WERE HDG N ON NOVEMBER, THE RJ TFC WAS OUT OF SIGHT, POINTING S ON SIERRA N OF TXWY P. AS WE APCHED TXWY R, ATC CLRED AN ACR XXX MD80 TO CROSS RWY 30L AT TXWY R WITHOUT DELAY BECAUSE AN ACFT WAS ON SHORT FINAL FOR RWY 30L. ATC ALSO STATED THAT HE WOULD BE FOLLOWING COMPANY AHEAD AND TO YOUR LEFT TO RWY 30R (US). THE CAPT SLOWED DOWN PRIOR TO TXWY R BECAUSE THE MD80 WAS CLEARING RWY 30L RATHER QUICKLY. AT THIS TIME, I SPOTTED THE RJ THAT WAS STILL PARKED ON SIERRA N OF TXWY P. WE BOTH CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE RJ WAS GOING TO CROSS TXWY P, S ON SIERRA TO RWY 30L. WITH THAT IN MIND AND THE MD80 GIVEN CLRNC TO FOLLOW US TO RWY 30R, WE CONTINUED TO RWY 30R PASSING INTXN TXWY R AND TXWY P. THIS IS WHEN GND CAME ACROSS WITH A RATHER INAPPROPRIATE COMMENT, 'COMPANY X (US), HOW IS THAT RJ SUPPOSED TO TAXI THROUGH YOU ON TXWY P?' I RESPONDED WITH 'WE'RE SORRY, WE THOUGHT THE RJ WAS GOING TO 'CROSS' IN FRONT OF US TO RWY 30L.' THE CTLR THEN STATED 'COMPANY, JUST CONTINUE.' IT TOOK US ALMOST 1/2 THE FLT FROM STL TO DTW TO FINALLY REALIZE WHAT THE CTLR HAD INTENDED TO HAPPEN. IF THE CTLR WOULD HAVE USED STANDARD PHRASEOLOGY AND SAID 'CROSS RWY 30L AT TXWY N, R ON TXWY P AND HOLD SHORT OF TXWY R' THE SIT WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT. WE WOULD BOTH HAVE KNOWN WITHOUT A DOUBT WHAT OUR TAXI INSTRUCTIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN. THE CTLR'S USE OF NONSTANDARD PHRASEOLOGY AND SOMEWHAT AMBIGUOUS INSTRUCTIONS FORCED US TO TRY AND GUESS WHAT THE CTLR REALLY WANTED. WE GUESSED WRONG. IN THE FUTURE, THE WISEST THING TO DO WITH AN ANNOYED CTLR, BUSY FREQ AND AMBIGUOUS INSTRUCTIONS WOULD BE TO CROSS THE ACTIVE RWY AND SET THE PARKING BRAKE UNTIL THE ENTIRE CLRNC CAN BE VERIFIED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.