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Radar handoff controller states controllers at las are using procedures that allow more than 1 controller to use the same airspace.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 550579 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200206 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : las.airport |
| State Reference | NV |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : l30.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : l30.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : handoff position |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | flight time total : 10 |
| ASRS Report | 550579 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure FAA Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : l30.tracon |
Narrative:
Working associate position for 2 departure sectors, 2 different aircraft (aircraft X and aircraft Y) both on the same departure procedure, came off on 2 different frequencys and tags. The first aircraft (aircraft X) came off in west departure's airspace without a release. This aircraft came off on the kasino tag, talking to the satellite position, which was combined with kasino. The second aircraft, which should be the same procedure, came off 5 mi in trail. However, this aircraft was on the west departure tag talking to the west departure. Because the SOP states these departures will be coordination, but management directed these departures to be released automatically, there is confusion among controllers how to work the aircraft. There have been several complaints about this procedure. Also, the staav departure turns right at 4 DME, which causes immediate action on the part of the controllers to notify adjacent sectors of the actions of each aircraft. Because there is no call for release (no notification), these aircraft will depart and controller actions cannot be properly planned. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated the facility has an SOP that clearly and thoroughly covers coordination procedures to be used by controllers. The reporter claims the facility manager has directed his supervisors to allow 'look-and-go' by controllers when the facility is operating in certain configns. He said most of the controllers are not comfortable working with spur of the moment procedures.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RADAR HDOF CTLR STATES CTLRS AT LAS ARE USING PROCS THAT ALLOW MORE THAN 1 CTLR TO USE THE SAME AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WORKING ASSOCIATE POS FOR 2 DEP SECTORS, 2 DIFFERENT ACFT (ACFT X AND ACFT Y) BOTH ON THE SAME DEP PROC, CAME OFF ON 2 DIFFERENT FREQS AND TAGS. THE FIRST ACFT (ACFT X) CAME OFF IN W DEP'S AIRSPACE WITHOUT A RELEASE. THIS ACFT CAME OFF ON THE KASINO TAG, TALKING TO THE SATELLITE POS, WHICH WAS COMBINED WITH KASINO. THE SECOND ACFT, WHICH SHOULD BE THE SAME PROC, CAME OFF 5 MI IN TRAIL. HOWEVER, THIS ACFT WAS ON THE W DEP TAG TALKING TO THE W DEP. BECAUSE THE SOP STATES THESE DEPS WILL BE COORD, BUT MGMNT DIRECTED THESE DEPS TO BE RELEASED AUTOMATICALLY, THERE IS CONFUSION AMONG CTLRS HOW TO WORK THE ACFT. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS PROC. ALSO, THE STAAV DEP TURNS R AT 4 DME, WHICH CAUSES IMMEDIATE ACTION ON THE PART OF THE CTLRS TO NOTIFY ADJACENT SECTORS OF THE ACTIONS OF EACH ACFT. BECAUSE THERE IS NO CALL FOR RELEASE (NO NOTIFICATION), THESE ACFT WILL DEPART AND CTLR ACTIONS CANNOT BE PROPERLY PLANNED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THE FACILITY HAS AN SOP THAT CLRLY AND THOROUGHLY COVERS COORD PROCS TO BE USED BY CTLRS. THE RPTR CLAIMS THE FACILITY MGR HAS DIRECTED HIS SUPVRS TO ALLOW 'LOOK-AND-GO' BY CTLRS WHEN THE FACILITY IS OPERATING IN CERTAIN CONFIGNS. HE SAID MOST OF THE CTLRS ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WORKING WITH SPUR OF THE MOMENT PROCS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.