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Attributes | |
ACN | 552797 |
Time | |
Date | 200207 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lgb.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 2000 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lgb.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lgb.tower |
Make Model Name | Cessna Aircraft Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 552797 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action none taken : detected after the fact other |
Consequence | other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport FAA ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
TCASII RA. TCASII RA was unnecessary and avoidable. Departing lgb runway 30, departure clearance was 'runway heading 300 degrees to 1500 ft.' then 'left to 180 degree heading climb to 2000 ft.' company pages require noise abatement climb using maximum power -- V2 +10 KT climb, and maximum rate initial turn 25-30 degree bank angle. This profile is very busy and rapid. After takeoff as pilots followed departure clearance, captain spotted traffic at similar altitude climbing out of lgb. As we continued to 180 degree heading and leveled at 2000 ft MSL, the light cessna traffic continued to climb through 1500 ft. (TCASII TA indicated -700 climbing at 2 mi lateral.) the 180 degree heading was on a collision course with the cessna. As closure rate increased to -500 ft and 2 mi, our speed was 160 KTS. Captain elected to climb simultaneously with TCASII resolution 'climb, climb' 1500 FPM -- at that very moment -- ATC ordered us to climb to 3000 ft. Captain responded to ATC 'roger, climbing to 2000 ft, traffic in sight on our left.' the cessna passed 300 ft below and 1/2 mi lateral separation per TCASII information. The situation was highly uncomfortable for the pilots as no information was passed to us regarding the flight path of the cessna or the reason for the 2000 ft cap in our departure. This event could have been avoided by holding our takeoff for 30 seconds or allowing our climb to 3000 ft immediately. ATC should be aware of the maximum power profile with V2 +10 KTS, 30 degree bank turns. The B757 will be at 3000 ft within seconds after takeoff and is a high workload for the crew to be restr to less than 3000 ft. Traffic conflicts such as the one described should and can be avoided within the air traffic area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757-200 CREW AND A CESSNA HAD A TCASII RA DEPARTING LGB.
Narrative: TCASII RA. TCASII RA WAS UNNECESSARY AND AVOIDABLE. DEPARTING LGB RWY 30, DEP CLRNC WAS 'RWY HDG 300 DEGS TO 1500 FT.' THEN 'L TO 180 DEG HDG CLB TO 2000 FT.' COMPANY PAGES REQUIRE NOISE ABATEMENT CLB USING MAX PWR -- V2 +10 KT CLB, AND MAX RATE INITIAL TURN 25-30 DEG BANK ANGLE. THIS PROFILE IS VERY BUSY AND RAPID. AFTER TKOF AS PLTS FOLLOWED DEP CLRNC, CAPT SPOTTED TFC AT SIMILAR ALT CLBING OUT OF LGB. AS WE CONTINUED TO 180 DEG HDG AND LEVELED AT 2000 FT MSL, THE LIGHT CESSNA TFC CONTINUED TO CLB THROUGH 1500 FT. (TCASII TA INDICATED -700 CLBING AT 2 MI LATERAL.) THE 180 DEG HDG WAS ON A COLLISION COURSE WITH THE CESSNA. AS CLOSURE RATE INCREASED TO -500 FT AND 2 MI, OUR SPD WAS 160 KTS. CAPT ELECTED TO CLB SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH TCASII RESOLUTION 'CLB, CLB' 1500 FPM -- AT THAT VERY MOMENT -- ATC ORDERED US TO CLB TO 3000 FT. CAPT RESPONDED TO ATC 'ROGER, CLBING TO 2000 FT, TFC IN SIGHT ON OUR L.' THE CESSNA PASSED 300 FT BELOW AND 1/2 MI LATERAL SEPARATION PER TCASII INFO. THE SIT WAS HIGHLY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR THE PLTS AS NO INFO WAS PASSED TO US REGARDING THE FLT PATH OF THE CESSNA OR THE REASON FOR THE 2000 FT CAP IN OUR DEP. THIS EVENT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED BY HOLDING OUR TKOF FOR 30 SECONDS OR ALLOWING OUR CLB TO 3000 FT IMMEDIATELY. ATC SHOULD BE AWARE OF THE MAX PWR PROFILE WITH V2 +10 KTS, 30 DEG BANK TURNS. THE B757 WILL BE AT 3000 FT WITHIN SECONDS AFTER TKOF AND IS A HIGH WORKLOAD FOR THE CREW TO BE RESTR TO LESS THAN 3000 FT. TFC CONFLICTS SUCH AS THE ONE DESCRIBED SHOULD AND CAN BE AVOIDED WITHIN THE ATA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.