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Attributes | |
ACN | 556566 |
Time | |
Date | 200208 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : fuz.vortac |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 17000 msl bound upper : 12500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : texoma |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Cessna Twin Turboprop Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 556566 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 556938 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : zfw.artcc |
Airspace Structure | class e : zfw.e |
Narrative:
We were climbing out of dallas on the texoma 7 departure. We received a couple of headings to intercept the ranger (fuz) 360 degree radial from ZFW. Our initial climb clearance was to 12000 ft -- we received a further clearance to climb to FL220. We were well established in the climb when I noticed a TCASII target appear on the TCASII vsi. I could see from the target movement across the screen and altitude above us that we were converging quickly. Very quickly we received a TA followed by an RA which commanded a descent. Our -200 was climbing at about 200 FPM. I pulled the thrust levers back and began to push the nose over to establish a descent. As this happened, the conflict aircraft passed overhead, the TCASII vsi indicated he was 500 ft above us. He never altered his course or appeared to change altitude. ZFW never said anything about this traffic. We informed ZFW that we were executing an RA for traffic conflict. The controller rogered our call, again with no explanation. A couple of mins went by and ZFW came back and reclred us to FL220. The controller said our conflict aircraft (a cessna twin) was a VFR aircraft at 17500 ft, he was not talking to anybody. The aircraft obviously had a transponder because our TCASII intercepted it and ZFW was tracking it. ZFW should have given us more warning, changed our heading or capped our altitude to avoid this conflict. The TCASII system was invaluable to us preventing a conflict. Supplemental information from acn 556938: we were climbing through 16500 ft at 2000 FPM, when we received a TCASII alert. At approximately 17000 ft, we received a TCASII resolution to descend. The conflict alert was picked up visually at approximately 1 mi horizontal distance. I told ATC that we were descending to comply with our TCASII RA. The controller response was 'all I can say is roger' followed by 'there is VFR traffic at 17500 ft.' if we had not had TCASII which allowed us to see the aircraft visually, this would have been much closer. This event occurred at a critical altitude due to both pilots looking inside to set altimeters to 29.92 to transition to the flight levels. It would have been most helpful if the controller would have issued traffic to us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737-200 FLT HAS AN NMAC WITH A LIGHT TWIN CESSNA VFR AT 17500 FT WHILE ON THE TEXOMA 7 DEP FROM DFW, TX.
Narrative: WE WERE CLBING OUT OF DALLAS ON THE TEXOMA 7 DEP. WE RECEIVED A COUPLE OF HDGS TO INTERCEPT THE RANGER (FUZ) 360 DEG RADIAL FROM ZFW. OUR INITIAL CLB CLRNC WAS TO 12000 FT -- WE RECEIVED A FURTHER CLRNC TO CLB TO FL220. WE WERE WELL ESTABLISHED IN THE CLB WHEN I NOTICED A TCASII TARGET APPEAR ON THE TCASII VSI. I COULD SEE FROM THE TARGET MOVEMENT ACROSS THE SCREEN AND ALT ABOVE US THAT WE WERE CONVERGING QUICKLY. VERY QUICKLY WE RECEIVED A TA FOLLOWED BY AN RA WHICH COMMANDED A DSCNT. OUR -200 WAS CLBING AT ABOUT 200 FPM. I PULLED THE THRUST LEVERS BACK AND BEGAN TO PUSH THE NOSE OVER TO ESTABLISH A DSCNT. AS THIS HAPPENED, THE CONFLICT ACFT PASSED OVERHEAD, THE TCASII VSI INDICATED HE WAS 500 FT ABOVE US. HE NEVER ALTERED HIS COURSE OR APPEARED TO CHANGE ALT. ZFW NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THIS TFC. WE INFORMED ZFW THAT WE WERE EXECUTING AN RA FOR TFC CONFLICT. THE CTLR ROGERED OUR CALL, AGAIN WITH NO EXPLANATION. A COUPLE OF MINS WENT BY AND ZFW CAME BACK AND RECLRED US TO FL220. THE CTLR SAID OUR CONFLICT ACFT (A CESSNA TWIN) WAS A VFR ACFT AT 17500 FT, HE WAS NOT TALKING TO ANYBODY. THE ACFT OBVIOUSLY HAD A XPONDER BECAUSE OUR TCASII INTERCEPTED IT AND ZFW WAS TRACKING IT. ZFW SHOULD HAVE GIVEN US MORE WARNING, CHANGED OUR HDG OR CAPPED OUR ALT TO AVOID THIS CONFLICT. THE TCASII SYS WAS INVALUABLE TO US PREVENTING A CONFLICT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 556938: WE WERE CLBING THROUGH 16500 FT AT 2000 FPM, WHEN WE RECEIVED A TCASII ALERT. AT APPROX 17000 FT, WE RECEIVED A TCASII RESOLUTION TO DSND. THE CONFLICT ALERT WAS PICKED UP VISUALLY AT APPROX 1 MI HORIZ DISTANCE. I TOLD ATC THAT WE WERE DSNDING TO COMPLY WITH OUR TCASII RA. THE CTLR RESPONSE WAS 'ALL I CAN SAY IS ROGER' FOLLOWED BY 'THERE IS VFR TFC AT 17500 FT.' IF WE HAD NOT HAD TCASII WHICH ALLOWED US TO SEE THE ACFT VISUALLY, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH CLOSER. THIS EVENT OCCURRED AT A CRITICAL ALT DUE TO BOTH PLTS LOOKING INSIDE TO SET ALTIMETERS TO 29.92 TO TRANSITION TO THE FLT LEVELS. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MOST HELPFUL IF THE CTLR WOULD HAVE ISSUED TFC TO US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.