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Attributes | |
ACN | 559155 |
Time | |
Date | 200208 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pao.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | other |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : pao.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : pao.tower |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 806 flight time type : 650 |
ASRS Report | 559155 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 150 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : pao.tower |
Narrative:
We approached pao from the salt ponds. We entered the pattern (normal right for runway 31). Eventually, on downwind, approximately abeam the runway 31 numbers, we were told by tower that we were #3 to land. The visibility was very poor, so most of my concentration was on looking for other aircraft. One aircraft on short final stated he was going around. I continued downwind because I had not seen another aircraft pass yet. Soon one did (the one I thought to be #2) and I did my turn to base. 1/2 way on my turn to final, there was a cherokee very close just behind us. We continued straight ahead and the cherokee did a right 360 degree turn (we noticed each other at the same time). The cherokee noted on the radio that he got cut off and I noted I was #3. I believe there were 2 events that caused the confusion: 1) I was counting #1, #2, #3, etc of the aircraft in the air and where they were in the pattern. In discussing it with a pilot who was on board in my aircraft, the controller probably wasn't counting the guy on short final that eventually went around. It would help if there was a uniform way to count these. 2) I should be more vigilant as to what type of aircraft is #1, #2, etc. The distraction for me was poor visibility (haze).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C172 PLT AND A PA28 HAD A NMAC IN PAO CLASS D AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WE APCHED PAO FROM THE SALT PONDS. WE ENTERED THE PATTERN (NORMAL R FOR RWY 31). EVENTUALLY, ON DOWNWIND, APPROX ABEAM THE RWY 31 NUMBERS, WE WERE TOLD BY TWR THAT WE WERE #3 TO LAND. THE VISIBILITY WAS VERY POOR, SO MOST OF MY CONCENTRATION WAS ON LOOKING FOR OTHER ACFT. ONE ACFT ON SHORT FINAL STATED HE WAS GOING AROUND. I CONTINUED DOWNWIND BECAUSE I HAD NOT SEEN ANOTHER ACFT PASS YET. SOON ONE DID (THE ONE I THOUGHT TO BE #2) AND I DID MY TURN TO BASE. 1/2 WAY ON MY TURN TO FINAL, THERE WAS A CHEROKEE VERY CLOSE JUST BEHIND US. WE CONTINUED STRAIGHT AHEAD AND THE CHEROKEE DID A R 360 DEG TURN (WE NOTICED EACH OTHER AT THE SAME TIME). THE CHEROKEE NOTED ON THE RADIO THAT HE GOT CUT OFF AND I NOTED I WAS #3. I BELIEVE THERE WERE 2 EVENTS THAT CAUSED THE CONFUSION: 1) I WAS COUNTING #1, #2, #3, ETC OF THE ACFT IN THE AIR AND WHERE THEY WERE IN THE PATTERN. IN DISCUSSING IT WITH A PLT WHO WAS ON BOARD IN MY ACFT, THE CTLR PROBABLY WASN'T COUNTING THE GUY ON SHORT FINAL THAT EVENTUALLY WENT AROUND. IT WOULD HELP IF THERE WAS A UNIFORM WAY TO COUNT THESE. 2) I SHOULD BE MORE VIGILANT AS TO WHAT TYPE OF ACFT IS #1, #2, ETC. THE DISTR FOR ME WAS POOR VISIBILITY (HAZE).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.