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Attributes | |
ACN | 560069 |
Time | |
Date | 200209 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : hnl.tracon |
State Reference | HI |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : hnl.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 560069 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport Company |
Primary Problem | Company |
Situations | |
Airport | procedure or policy : hnl.airport |
Narrative:
Land and hold short operations are often conducted at hnl. The clearance 'cleared to land runway 8L hold short of runway 4R' is standard (10000 ft available). Our company pages have no table for the lahso procedure, therefore we are not authority/authorized to land and hold short. On the ATIS it says to let approach control know on first contact if you are unable to hold short. My question is 2-FOLD: 1) why can't we come up with the paperwork to execute the lahso and 2) if there is some other operational safety hazard keeping us from lahso at hnl, a note in the operations pages would be nice to prevent either inadvertently accepting a clearance or failing to advise approach control on first contact.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B767 CREW EXPRESSES CONCERN OVER THEIR COMPANY'S NEGLECT TO INCLUDE THE PROHIBITION OF LAND AND HOLD SHORT OPS, AT PHNL, IN THEIR 'OP SPECS' PAGES.
Narrative: LAND AND HOLD SHORT OPS ARE OFTEN CONDUCTED AT HNL. THE CLRNC 'CLRED TO LAND RWY 8L HOLD SHORT OF RWY 4R' IS STANDARD (10000 FT AVAILABLE). OUR COMPANY PAGES HAVE NO TABLE FOR THE LAHSO PROC, THEREFORE WE ARE NOT AUTH TO LAND AND HOLD SHORT. ON THE ATIS IT SAYS TO LET APCH CTL KNOW ON FIRST CONTACT IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO HOLD SHORT. MY QUESTION IS 2-FOLD: 1) WHY CAN'T WE COME UP WITH THE PAPERWORK TO EXECUTE THE LAHSO AND 2) IF THERE IS SOME OTHER OPERATIONAL SAFETY HAZARD KEEPING US FROM LAHSO AT HNL, A NOTE IN THE OPS PAGES WOULD BE NICE TO PREVENT EITHER INADVERTENTLY ACCEPTING A CLRNC OR FAILING TO ADVISE APCH CTL ON FIRST CONTACT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.