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Attributes | |
ACN | 562643 |
Time | |
Date | 200210 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ffz.airport |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | agl single value : 600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : fzz.tower tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Citation Excel |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ffz.tower |
Make Model Name | PA-31 Navajo Chieftan/Mojave/Navajo T1020 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 2400 flight time type : 160 |
ASRS Report | 562643 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 23000 flight time type : 650 |
ASRS Report | 562358 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation non adherence other other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : executed go around |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Phx approach control cleared us for a visual approach to runway 4L at falcon. When we contacted falcon tower, we were told to enter a 3 mi final from a right base to runway 4L to follow a navajo on a left base to runway 4L. We then advised falcon tower that we would widen out the final even further than 3 mi to lose altitude from a late clearance for the visual approach. We did not see the traffic at this time. Falcon tower advised us to deviate left as far as needed, but to maintain clearance from the mountains. We then turned a 5 mi final to runway 4L and continued inbound. Falcon tower pointed us out as traffic on a 3.5 mi final to another aircraft. Shortly after this call, we got a TA on our tcasi. We, therefore, shallowed the descent as an evasive maneuver and continued to look for the traffic. We then saw the navajo break off from underneath us in a climbing left turn. We were cleared to land #1. After landing, my captain contacted falcon tower by phone to discuss the situation. The tower advised him that the navajo was flying a much larger pattern than they expected and that they had lost sight of the navajo. They also stated that there was a communication barrier due to the navajo pilot's english not being so good. Supplemental information from acn 562358: I spoke to the tower on the phone after landing and was told the navajo made a bigger pattern than they expected and then they lost sight of him and told him to break off the approach.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C560XL CREW, ON FINAL TO FFZ, HAD AN NMAC WITH TFC THAT WAS SUPPOSEDLY PRECEDING THEM ON FINAL.
Narrative: PHX APCH CTL CLRED US FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 4L AT FALCON. WHEN WE CONTACTED FALCON TWR, WE WERE TOLD TO ENTER A 3 MI FINAL FROM A R BASE TO RWY 4L TO FOLLOW A NAVAJO ON A L BASE TO RWY 4L. WE THEN ADVISED FALCON TWR THAT WE WOULD WIDEN OUT THE FINAL EVEN FURTHER THAN 3 MI TO LOSE ALT FROM A LATE CLRNC FOR THE VISUAL APCH. WE DID NOT SEE THE TFC AT THIS TIME. FALCON TWR ADVISED US TO DEVIATE L AS FAR AS NEEDED, BUT TO MAINTAIN CLRNC FROM THE MOUNTAINS. WE THEN TURNED A 5 MI FINAL TO RWY 4L AND CONTINUED INBOUND. FALCON TWR POINTED US OUT AS TFC ON A 3.5 MI FINAL TO ANOTHER ACFT. SHORTLY AFTER THIS CALL, WE GOT A TA ON OUR TCASI. WE, THEREFORE, SHALLOWED THE DSCNT AS AN EVASIVE MANEUVER AND CONTINUED TO LOOK FOR THE TFC. WE THEN SAW THE NAVAJO BREAK OFF FROM UNDERNEATH US IN A CLBING L TURN. WE WERE CLRED TO LAND #1. AFTER LNDG, MY CAPT CONTACTED FALCON TWR BY PHONE TO DISCUSS THE SIT. THE TWR ADVISED HIM THAT THE NAVAJO WAS FLYING A MUCH LARGER PATTERN THAN THEY EXPECTED AND THAT THEY HAD LOST SIGHT OF THE NAVAJO. THEY ALSO STATED THAT THERE WAS A COM BARRIER DUE TO THE NAVAJO PLT'S ENGLISH NOT BEING SO GOOD. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 562358: I SPOKE TO THE TWR ON THE PHONE AFTER LNDG AND WAS TOLD THE NAVAJO MADE A BIGGER PATTERN THAN THEY EXPECTED AND THEN THEY LOST SIGHT OF HIM AND TOLD HIM TO BREAK OFF THE APCH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.