Near midair collision between piper PA28 5 mi from gfk. Reporter climbing through 3000 ft and the ot...

Attributes
ACN	562701
Time
Date	200210
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : gfk.airport
State Reference	ND
Altitude	msl single value : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	PA-28 Cherokee Arrow IV
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Flight Plan	None
Aircraft 2
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	PA-28 Cherokee Arrow IV
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : private
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 27 flight time total : 165 flight time type : 165
ASRS Report	562701
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Events
Anomaly	conflict : nmac other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

I was on climb out in a piper arrow from gfk (departed runway 35R) climbing through approximately 3000 ft MSL with my flight instructor (not flying) roughly heading 080 degrees under radar services with grand forks departure, when my instructor noticed traffic, a piper warrior on a descent off our 10 O'clock position roughly 100 ft above us heading roughly 180 degrees. I leveled off the aircraft, ready to descend while watching the traffic, which appeared to be in level flight at the time. We were able to keep well below the traffic, since there was not enough time for changing heading to avoid the traffic. About 1/2 min after passing the traffic, departure control advised us we had traffic off our 3 O'clock position sbound. This was well after the traffic passed us overhead, which I had lost sight of after the passing. I checked my 3 O'clock position and advised departure control that I was looking for the traffic. I never heard anything about the traffic since then. I believe the contributing factor was lack of experience on the controller's part. The controller sounded new on the radio, somewhat stumbling and looking for the correct terminology. I gather that the controller was in training. Also, I varied from the local climb out procedure with our flight school, which is to climb runway heading (354 degrees that day) until 2500 ft MSL, then turn 30 degrees on course, then at 3500 ft MSL, turn to departure heading.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: NMAC BTWN PIPER PA28 5 MI FROM GFK. RPTR CLBING THROUGH 3000 FT AND THE OTHER DSNDING. RPTR TOOK EVASIVE ACTION AND APCH CTLR ISSUED ADVISORY JUST AFTER THE ACFT PASSED.

Narrative: I WAS ON CLBOUT IN A PIPER ARROW FROM GFK (DEPARTED RWY 35R) CLBING THROUGH APPROX 3000 FT MSL WITH MY FLT INSTRUCTOR (NOT FLYING) ROUGHLY HEADING 080 DEGS UNDER RADAR SVCS WITH GRAND FORKS DEP, WHEN MY INSTRUCTOR NOTICED TFC, A PIPER WARRIOR ON A DSCNT OFF OUR 10 O'CLOCK POS ROUGHLY 100 FT ABOVE US HEADING ROUGHLY 180 DEGS. I LEVELED OFF THE ACFT, READY TO DSND WHILE WATCHING THE TFC, WHICH APPEARED TO BE IN LEVEL FLT AT THE TIME. WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP WELL BELOW THE TFC, SINCE THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR CHANGING HEADING TO AVOID THE TFC. ABOUT 1/2 MIN AFTER PASSING THE TFC, DEP CTL ADVISED US WE HAD TFC OFF OUR 3 O'CLOCK POS SBOUND. THIS WAS WELL AFTER THE TFC PASSED US OVERHEAD, WHICH I HAD LOST SIGHT OF AFTER THE PASSING. I CHKED MY 3 O'CLOCK POS AND ADVISED DEP CTL THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR THE TFC. I NEVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE TFC SINCE THEN. I BELIEVE THE CONTRIBUTING FACTOR WAS LACK OF EXPERIENCE ON THE CTLR'S PART. THE CTLR SOUNDED NEW ON THE RADIO, SOMEWHAT STUMBLING AND LOOKING FOR THE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY. I GATHER THAT THE CTLR WAS IN TRAINING. ALSO, I VARIED FROM THE LCL CLBOUT PROC WITH OUR FLT SCHOOL, WHICH IS TO CLB RWY HEADING (354 DEGS THAT DAY) UNTIL 2500 FT MSL, THEN TURN 30 DEGS ON COURSE, THEN AT 3500 FT MSL, TURN TO DEP HEADING.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Near midair collision between piper PA28 5 mi from gfk. Reporter climbing through 3000 ft and the other descending. Reporter took evasive action and approach controller issued advisory just after the aircraft passed.