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Attributes | |
ACN | 563837 |
Time | |
Date | 200210 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lwc.airport |
State Reference | KS |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ict.tracon tower : dpa.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Baron 58/58TC |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 11150 flight time type : 1100 |
ASRS Report | 563837 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllerb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I departed lwc at approximately XA30 on a VFR flight to aao airport in wichita, ks. I took off from lwc on runway 33 and made a normal left turn to a heading of approximately 240 degrees to exit the traffic pattern and avoid any downwind and approach traffic to runway 33. During my departure, I made calls on lwc CTAF announcing my position and route of flight. I was aware of the existence of a tfr area of 3 NM radius and 3000 ft AGL ht surrounding the university of kansas memorial stadium. With the benefit of a kansas city sectional chart for the area, I made every effort to avoid entry into the tfr and made an expeditious climb to cruise altitude. During my departure, I had my transponder set to 1200 with altitude reporting engaged. I proceeded to wichita, contacted wichita approach control prior to entering class C airspace, and was cleared into class C airspace with my announced destination of jabara airport. I entered aao's traffic pattern and landed. Upon arrival at the FBO, I was handed a note by the ramp attendant asking me to call ZKC at a specified number and ask for mr X. I initiated a call immediately and was informed that I had possibly entered the tfr during my departure from lwc. I told this individual, who idented himself as a supervisor, that I had departed to the north on runway 33 and made a left turn out of traffic and that I did not feel that I had entered restr airspace. He indicated that there was other VFR traffic in the area, and I did not feel that he was certain that I was the aircraft who had violated the area. He did take my name, address, and phone number, and we terminated the conversation. Upon examination of maps of the area, I could not find the stadium displayed, thus making it very difficult to establish visual references on the map which would delineate the tfr. Secondly, I had no information as to when the game started, or when it might conclude, making it difficult to know when the area was in effect. In spite of a lack of definitive data to depict the actual confines of the tfr area on a navigation chart, I felt that I remained well clear of the tfr during my departure, as well as also being above the altitude limits of the tfr. I feel that it is very important for the pilot to have more specific data from which to navigation and avoid entering such areas. Under current conditions, pilots do not have accurate data that they can use to remain clear of such a temporary area surrounding a stadium that is not even depicted on a sectional chart.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B58 BARON PLT IS ALLEGED TO HAVE ENTERED TFR ON DEP FROM LWC.
Narrative: I DEPARTED LWC AT APPROX XA30 ON A VFR FLT TO AAO ARPT IN WICHITA, KS. I TOOK OFF FROM LWC ON RWY 33 AND MADE A NORMAL L TURN TO A HDG OF APPROX 240 DEGS TO EXIT THE TFC PATTERN AND AVOID ANY DOWNWIND AND APCH TFC TO RWY 33. DURING MY DEP, I MADE CALLS ON LWC CTAF ANNOUNCING MY POS AND RTE OF FLT. I WAS AWARE OF THE EXISTENCE OF A TFR AREA OF 3 NM RADIUS AND 3000 FT AGL HT SURROUNDING THE UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS MEMORIAL STADIUM. WITH THE BENEFIT OF A KANSAS CITY SECTIONAL CHART FOR THE AREA, I MADE EVERY EFFORT TO AVOID ENTRY INTO THE TFR AND MADE AN EXPEDITIOUS CLB TO CRUISE ALT. DURING MY DEP, I HAD MY XPONDER SET TO 1200 WITH ALT RPTING ENGAGED. I PROCEEDED TO WICHITA, CONTACTED WICHITA APCH CTL PRIOR TO ENTERING CLASS C AIRSPACE, AND WAS CLRED INTO CLASS C AIRSPACE WITH MY ANNOUNCED DEST OF JABARA ARPT. I ENTERED AAO'S TFC PATTERN AND LANDED. UPON ARR AT THE FBO, I WAS HANDED A NOTE BY THE RAMP ATTENDANT ASKING ME TO CALL ZKC AT A SPECIFIED NUMBER AND ASK FOR MR X. I INITIATED A CALL IMMEDIATELY AND WAS INFORMED THAT I HAD POSSIBLY ENTERED THE TFR DURING MY DEP FROM LWC. I TOLD THIS INDIVIDUAL, WHO IDENTED HIMSELF AS A SUPVR, THAT I HAD DEPARTED TO THE N ON RWY 33 AND MADE A L TURN OUT OF TFC AND THAT I DID NOT FEEL THAT I HAD ENTERED RESTR AIRSPACE. HE INDICATED THAT THERE WAS OTHER VFR TFC IN THE AREA, AND I DID NOT FEEL THAT HE WAS CERTAIN THAT I WAS THE ACFT WHO HAD VIOLATED THE AREA. HE DID TAKE MY NAME, ADDRESS, AND PHONE NUMBER, AND WE TERMINATED THE CONVERSATION. UPON EXAMINATION OF MAPS OF THE AREA, I COULD NOT FIND THE STADIUM DISPLAYED, THUS MAKING IT VERY DIFFICULT TO ESTABLISH VISUAL REFS ON THE MAP WHICH WOULD DELINEATE THE TFR. SECONDLY, I HAD NO INFO AS TO WHEN THE GAME STARTED, OR WHEN IT MIGHT CONCLUDE, MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO KNOW WHEN THE AREA WAS IN EFFECT. IN SPITE OF A LACK OF DEFINITIVE DATA TO DEPICT THE ACTUAL CONFINES OF THE TFR AREA ON A NAV CHART, I FELT THAT I REMAINED WELL CLR OF THE TFR DURING MY DEP, AS WELL AS ALSO BEING ABOVE THE ALT LIMITS OF THE TFR. I FEEL THAT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE PLT TO HAVE MORE SPECIFIC DATA FROM WHICH TO NAV AND AVOID ENTERING SUCH AREAS. UNDER CURRENT CONDITIONS, PLTS DO NOT HAVE ACCURATE DATA THAT THEY CAN USE TO REMAIN CLR OF SUCH A TEMPORARY AREA SURROUNDING A STADIUM THAT IS NOT EVEN DEPICTED ON A SECTIONAL CHART.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.