Cdw local controller issues taxi clearance to runway 22, acknowledged by C182 training instructor, w...

Attributes
ACN	565719
Time
Date	200211
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : cdw.airport
State Reference	NJ
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : instructor oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 575 flight time type : 575
ASRS Report	565719
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory flight crew : became reoriented
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance

Narrative:

We are at cdw, known for its congested traffic patterns by student and their instructors. My student and I just landed and rolled out off the runway. Over to ground frequency, we asked, 'cessna X, at taxiway B, requesting taxi to runway 22. Ground controller quickly yelled, 'cessna X, taxi to runway 22, no delay.' we repeated, 'taxi to runway 22, cessna X.' in order to get to runway 22, we have to cross another runway (runway 9/27). The aim states that a 'taxi to' instruction auths us to 'cross' all runways which the taxi route intersects. We cross runway 9/27 and the ground controller yelled, 'cessna X, you were supposed to taxi to runway 22 via taxiway north.' I told him, 'cessna X, I heard your instructions as being 'taxi to runway 22, no delay.'' I tried to diffuse the situation by offering apologies, but ground yelled back, 'cessna X, you were supposed to taxi to runway 22 via intersection north.' the 'usual' taxi instructions at this airport are to taxi via taxiway P to runway 22. The controllers appear to be creatures of habit, and what he said and what he expected to say were probably different. Still, I asked for and received taxi clearance to runway 22, not runway 22 at taxiway north. Should the controller have wished to correct our clearance readback, he could have come back clarifying, 'negative cessna X, taxi to runway 22 via intersection north.' our aircraft tail number has a november same as taxiway K question, which may have contributed to the confusion. Things can be argued that as PIC, I did not exercise good judgement while taxiing (asking for clarification before crossing runway). There are currently no procedures in place when sits like this arise. Conflicts between ATC and pilots probably occur frequently. In order to promote a more open discussion and release hostility between us pilots and controllers, we need to have a way to talk about these occurrences as they happen without fear of repercussion.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CDW LCL CTLR ISSUES TAXI CLRNC TO RWY 22, ACKNOWLEDGED BY C182 TRAINING INSTRUCTOR, WHICH, WHEN NOT CORRECTED, RESULTS IN RWY INCUR.

Narrative: WE ARE AT CDW, KNOWN FOR ITS CONGESTED TFC PATTERNS BY STUDENT AND THEIR INSTRUCTORS. MY STUDENT AND I JUST LANDED AND ROLLED OUT OFF THE RWY. OVER TO GND FREQ, WE ASKED, 'CESSNA X, AT TXWY B, REQUESTING TAXI TO RWY 22. GND CTLR QUICKLY YELLED, 'CESSNA X, TAXI TO RWY 22, NO DELAY.' WE REPEATED, 'TAXI TO RWY 22, CESSNA X.' IN ORDER TO GET TO RWY 22, WE HAVE TO CROSS ANOTHER RWY (RWY 9/27). THE AIM STATES THAT A 'TAXI TO' INSTRUCTION AUTHS US TO 'CROSS' ALL RWYS WHICH THE TAXI RTE INTERSECTS. WE CROSS RWY 9/27 AND THE GND CTLR YELLED, 'CESSNA X, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO TAXI TO RWY 22 VIA TXWY N.' I TOLD HIM, 'CESSNA X, I HEARD YOUR INSTRUCTIONS AS BEING 'TAXI TO RWY 22, NO DELAY.'' I TRIED TO DIFFUSE THE SIT BY OFFERING APOLOGIES, BUT GND YELLED BACK, 'CESSNA X, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO TAXI TO RWY 22 VIA INTXN N.' THE 'USUAL' TAXI INSTRUCTIONS AT THIS ARPT ARE TO TAXI VIA TXWY P TO RWY 22. THE CTLRS APPEAR TO BE CREATURES OF HABIT, AND WHAT HE SAID AND WHAT HE EXPECTED TO SAY WERE PROBABLY DIFFERENT. STILL, I ASKED FOR AND RECEIVED TAXI CLRNC TO RWY 22, NOT RWY 22 AT TXWY N. SHOULD THE CTLR HAVE WISHED TO CORRECT OUR CLRNC READBACK, HE COULD HAVE COME BACK CLARIFYING, 'NEGATIVE CESSNA X, TAXI TO RWY 22 VIA INTXN N.' OUR ACFT TAIL NUMBER HAS A NOVEMBER SAME AS TXWY K QUESTION, WHICH MAY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE CONFUSION. THINGS CAN BE ARGUED THAT AS PIC, I DID NOT EXERCISE GOOD JUDGEMENT WHILE TAXIING (ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION BEFORE XING RWY). THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO PROCS IN PLACE WHEN SITS LIKE THIS ARISE. CONFLICTS BTWN ATC AND PLTS PROBABLY OCCUR FREQUENTLY. IN ORDER TO PROMOTE A MORE OPEN DISCUSSION AND RELEASE HOSTILITY BTWN US PLTS AND CTLRS, WE NEED TO HAVE A WAY TO TALK ABOUT THESE OCCURRENCES AS THEY HAPPEN WITHOUT FEAR OF REPERCUSSION.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Cdw local controller issues taxi clearance to runway 22, acknowledged by C182 training instructor, which, when not corrected, results in runway incur.