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Attributes | |
ACN | 566317 |
Time | |
Date | 200211 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Ice Rain |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : position and hold |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 2200 |
ASRS Report | 566317 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2500 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor Airport |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Pushed back and given clearance to taxi to runway 4 via taxiway a, taxiway east, taxiway B. We ended up taxiing via taxiway a, right on taxiway east, left on taxiway B, and right on taxiway D short of runway 4, with the nose of the aircraft over the hold short lines for runway 4. We immediately contacted tower (we were already told to monitor tower) and gave our position. Tower cleared us to cross runway 4 at taxiway D, and taxi to runway 4 on the other side, with a dash 8 holding in position on runway 4. Taxiing via taxiway a along the ramp (inner) with taxiway B off the right side of the aircraft is easy until the transition to taxiway B using taxiway east -- especially at night in rain. The right turn on taxiway east and subsequent left turn on taxiway B looks to be cut and dry on the airport diagram, as it shows taxiway B as its own separate taxiway (separate from the ramp area) while taxiway a is the 'inner' running along the edge of the ramp area. Once the turn was made onto taxiway B, it appeared we were still on taxiway a, as taxiway B is merely another yellow line along the edge of the ramp alongside of taxiway a. In the rain and darkness it was impossible to see the taxiway a line on our left. The illusion was that in taxiing I had merely made a left jog over on the same line, and was still on taxiway a, and taxiway B was still 1 taxiway over to the right. I asked the first officer I F he thought I was on it (taxiway B) and he said no it was over to the right, and said 'let's just use the next right (taxiway D) to get over' I should have stopped here, and asked tower, but continued to taxiway D and turned right. As I made the turn, I saw the hold short lines for the runway and applied the brakes. I told the first officer to tell tower, which he did, and we were subsequently cleared across. My error: continuing when I felt confused and disoriented. Looking at the airport diagram, one would expect that taxiway B at the spot I described is a separate taxiway from the ramp area, and therefore expect to see blue lights on the left and right. In the rain at night it looks like it's part of the ramp and looks like it is taxiway a.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CL65 FLT CREW HAS RWY INCURSION AT LGA.
Narrative: PUSHED BACK AND GIVEN CLRNC TO TAXI TO RWY 4 VIA TXWY A, TXWY E, TXWY B. WE ENDED UP TAXIING VIA TXWY A, R ON TXWY E, L ON TXWY B, AND R ON TXWY D SHORT OF RWY 4, WITH THE NOSE OF THE ACFT OVER THE HOLD SHORT LINES FOR RWY 4. WE IMMEDIATELY CONTACTED TWR (WE WERE ALREADY TOLD TO MONITOR TWR) AND GAVE OUR POS. TWR CLRED US TO CROSS RWY 4 AT TXWY D, AND TAXI TO RWY 4 ON THE OTHER SIDE, WITH A DASH 8 HOLDING IN POS ON RWY 4. TAXIING VIA TXWY A ALONG THE RAMP (INNER) WITH TXWY B OFF THE R SIDE OF THE ACFT IS EASY UNTIL THE TRANSITION TO TXWY B USING TXWY E -- ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT IN RAIN. THE R TURN ON TXWY E AND SUBSEQUENT L TURN ON TXWY B LOOKS TO BE CUT AND DRY ON THE ARPT DIAGRAM, AS IT SHOWS TXWY B AS ITS OWN SEPARATE TXWY (SEPARATE FROM THE RAMP AREA) WHILE TXWY A IS THE 'INNER' RUNNING ALONG THE EDGE OF THE RAMP AREA. ONCE THE TURN WAS MADE ONTO TXWY B, IT APPEARED WE WERE STILL ON TXWY A, AS TXWY B IS MERELY ANOTHER YELLOW LINE ALONG THE EDGE OF THE RAMP ALONGSIDE OF TXWY A. IN THE RAIN AND DARKNESS IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE THE TXWY A LINE ON OUR L. THE ILLUSION WAS THAT IN TAXIING I HAD MERELY MADE A L JOG OVER ON THE SAME LINE, AND WAS STILL ON TXWY A, AND TXWY B WAS STILL 1 TXWY OVER TO THE R. I ASKED THE FO I F HE THOUGHT I WAS ON IT (TXWY B) AND HE SAID NO IT WAS OVER TO THE R, AND SAID 'LET'S JUST USE THE NEXT R (TXWY D) TO GET OVER' I SHOULD HAVE STOPPED HERE, AND ASKED TWR, BUT CONTINUED TO TXWY D AND TURNED R. AS I MADE THE TURN, I SAW THE HOLD SHORT LINES FOR THE RWY AND APPLIED THE BRAKES. I TOLD THE FO TO TELL TWR, WHICH HE DID, AND WE WERE SUBSEQUENTLY CLRED ACROSS. MY ERROR: CONTINUING WHEN I FELT CONFUSED AND DISORIENTED. LOOKING AT THE ARPT DIAGRAM, ONE WOULD EXPECT THAT TXWY B AT THE SPOT I DESCRIBED IS A SEPARATE TXWY FROM THE RAMP AREA, AND THEREFORE EXPECT TO SEE BLUE LIGHTS ON THE L AND R. IN THE RAIN AT NIGHT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PART OF THE RAMP AND LOOKS LIKE IT IS TXWY A.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.