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Attributes | |
ACN | 566499 |
Time | |
Date | 200211 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon tower : bak.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : paradise 4 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 2800 |
ASRS Report | 566499 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to original clearance flight crew : overcame equipment problem |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were executing the pdz 4 arrival into lax. We were on the segment between tejay and arnes. We had been using the INS for navigation, but had just changed to 'heading select' to anticipate the intercept of the localizer after arnes. We had stepped down from 12000 ft to 10000 ft for arnes. I was monitoring the localizer on my side (captain) and the first officer was monitoring the pdz VOR 277 degree radial raw data, but we were flying on the INS. The INS switched from 'to' arnes, to 'to' suzzi. We set in the next lower altitude thinking we were past arnes and started down, out of 10000 ft. We started to turn in to the localizer when the controller told us to check our altitude and go no lower than 8000 ft at fuelr, it was then that we realized we were still 2 mi short of arnes from the DME and at 9300 ft MSL. We noticed later our INS's were about 3 mi in error. This is within tolerance for this flight from mem to lax (3 hours 20 mins). The error we made was trusting the INS and not xchking DME raw data. We were very heavy and wanted to get down. That was our 5TH intermittent letdown, along with multiple frequency changes and 2 checklists to cover. I have shot this multiple times before but not recently. In my opinion, this would be much safer by not having so many leveloffs and all the cockpit verbiage and coordination that is required.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DC10 FLC HAS ALTDEV DURING ARR INTO LAX.
Narrative: WE WERE EXECUTING THE PDZ 4 ARR INTO LAX. WE WERE ON THE SEGMENT BTWN TEJAY AND ARNES. WE HAD BEEN USING THE INS FOR NAV, BUT HAD JUST CHANGED TO 'HDG SELECT' TO ANTICIPATE THE INTERCEPT OF THE LOC AFTER ARNES. WE HAD STEPPED DOWN FROM 12000 FT TO 10000 FT FOR ARNES. I WAS MONITORING THE LOC ON MY SIDE (CAPT) AND THE FO WAS MONITORING THE PDZ VOR 277 DEG RADIAL RAW DATA, BUT WE WERE FLYING ON THE INS. THE INS SWITCHED FROM 'TO' ARNES, TO 'TO' SUZZI. WE SET IN THE NEXT LOWER ALT THINKING WE WERE PAST ARNES AND STARTED DOWN, OUT OF 10000 FT. WE STARTED TO TURN IN TO THE LOC WHEN THE CTLR TOLD US TO CHK OUR ALT AND GO NO LOWER THAN 8000 FT AT FUELR, IT WAS THEN THAT WE REALIZED WE WERE STILL 2 MI SHORT OF ARNES FROM THE DME AND AT 9300 FT MSL. WE NOTICED LATER OUR INS'S WERE ABOUT 3 MI IN ERROR. THIS IS WITHIN TOLERANCE FOR THIS FLT FROM MEM TO LAX (3 HRS 20 MINS). THE ERROR WE MADE WAS TRUSTING THE INS AND NOT XCHKING DME RAW DATA. WE WERE VERY HVY AND WANTED TO GET DOWN. THAT WAS OUR 5TH INTERMITTENT LETDOWN, ALONG WITH MULTIPLE FREQ CHANGES AND 2 CHKLISTS TO COVER. I HAVE SHOT THIS MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE BUT NOT RECENTLY. IN MY OPINION, THIS WOULD BE MUCH SAFER BY NOT HAVING SO MANY LEVELOFFS AND ALL THE COCKPIT VERBIAGE AND COORD THAT IS REQUIRED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.