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B717 crew had a firm landing and heavy braking. A passenger complained to the crew about the landing on runway 8L at hnl.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 567789 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200212 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : hnl.airport |
| State Reference | HI |
| Altitude | agl single value : 1500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Weather Elements | Windshear other |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : hnl.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B717 (Formerly MD-95) |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 9990 flight time type : 900 |
| ASRS Report | 567789 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 2000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 567790 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : company policies non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly |
| Independent Detector | other other : 3 |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact other |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport Company Weather Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
During our arrival into hnl, we encountered a tailwind condition. Because of this, I had a difficult time slowing the airplane and entered the channel faster than I normally would have. When I turned onto final for runway 8L, I overshot the runway slightly, but immediately correctly after touchdown. It felt like our ground speed was still on the fast side, so I used heavier than normal braking to ensure compliance with our lahso clearance (which had been canceled, but I must have missed the radio call). After the flight, a gentleman came up to the cockpit and complained about how uncomfortable the approach was. All day, the plane appeared to be slowing normally, even with a tailwind, but not this time. We always need to respect every tailwind condition, especially at night when our perception is slightly different. We also forget, sometimes, how it may feel in the back of the airplane when we're maneuvering the plane and concentrating on making the runway. What may seem minor to us may scare passenger in the back.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B717 CREW HAD A FIRM LNDG AND HVY BRAKING. A PAX COMPLAINED TO THE CREW ABOUT THE LNDG ON RWY 8L AT HNL.
Narrative: DURING OUR ARR INTO HNL, WE ENCOUNTERED A TAILWIND CONDITION. BECAUSE OF THIS, I HAD A DIFFICULT TIME SLOWING THE AIRPLANE AND ENTERED THE CHANNEL FASTER THAN I NORMALLY WOULD HAVE. WHEN I TURNED ONTO FINAL FOR RWY 8L, I OVERSHOT THE RWY SLIGHTLY, BUT IMMEDIATELY CORRECTLY AFTER TOUCHDOWN. IT FELT LIKE OUR GND SPD WAS STILL ON THE FAST SIDE, SO I USED HEAVIER THAN NORMAL BRAKING TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH OUR LAHSO CLRNC (WHICH HAD BEEN CANCELED, BUT I MUST HAVE MISSED THE RADIO CALL). AFTER THE FLT, A GENTLEMAN CAME UP TO THE COCKPIT AND COMPLAINED ABOUT HOW UNCOMFORTABLE THE APCH WAS. ALL DAY, THE PLANE APPEARED TO BE SLOWING NORMALLY, EVEN WITH A TAILWIND, BUT NOT THIS TIME. WE ALWAYS NEED TO RESPECT EVERY TAILWIND CONDITION, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT WHEN OUR PERCEPTION IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. WE ALSO FORGET, SOMETIMES, HOW IT MAY FEEL IN THE BACK OF THE AIRPLANE WHEN WE'RE MANEUVERING THE PLANE AND CONCENTRATING ON MAKING THE RWY. WHAT MAY SEEM MINOR TO US MAY SCARE PAX IN THE BACK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.