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Attributes | |
ACN | 569553 |
Time | |
Date | 200212 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : orh.airport |
State Reference | MA |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : bdl.tracon tower : orh.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cardinal 177/177RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision arrival star : ndb 29 |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : orh.tower |
Make Model Name | Bonanza 33 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 605 flight time type : 535 |
ASRS Report | 569553 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2500 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
I contacted bdl approach, on 119.0, 7 mi west orh, requested practice NDB 29 into orh. Was told 'no separation provided, contact orh tower.' orh approved practice approach, with advice 'no separation services will be provided.' I was also advised to report gozer outbound. I was flying VFR, no hood, to generally practice ADF orientation. It was suggested that I fly the approach VFR, not as an instrument approach, but to get a feel for my visual positioning at various points on the approach. I was looking for traffic, getting a feel for the general orientation of the approach. As I approached gozer, I spotted the bonanza just after it flashed across in front of me, and proceeded outbound on the procedure turn. A few moments later, I reached gozer and also began the procedure turn. Orh tower contacted me at that point and said that dbl was working another aircraft on the practice approach at gozer, and I might want to fly the approach at 3500 ft. By then, the conflict had already occurred and was resolved. I climbed to 3500 ft to stay out of the other aircraft's way. At 3000 ft, this is near or below radar coverage for bdl. They may not have had us on radar at the time of the conflict. However, they had to know that 2 aircraft were both asking for the practice approach and could have provided some indication of this. Although both pilots had responsibility to see and avoid concept, it would have been very helpful if either bdl or orh had indicated that another aircraft was converging on gozer prior to telling me to report gozer outbound.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C177 PLT CONCERNED THAT BDL APCH WAS NOT TIMELY WITH TFC EXCHANGE WITH A XING BE35 WHEN CONDUCTING A NDB RWY 29 APCH INTO KORH.
Narrative: I CONTACTED BDL APCH, ON 119.0, 7 MI W ORH, REQUESTED PRACTICE NDB 29 INTO ORH. WAS TOLD 'NO SEPARATION PROVIDED, CONTACT ORH TWR.' ORH APPROVED PRACTICE APCH, WITH ADVICE 'NO SEPARATION SVCS WILL BE PROVIDED.' I WAS ALSO ADVISED TO RPT GOZER OUTBOUND. I WAS FLYING VFR, NO HOOD, TO GENERALLY PRACTICE ADF ORIENTATION. IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT I FLY THE APCH VFR, NOT AS AN INST APCH, BUT TO GET A FEEL FOR MY VISUAL POSITIONING AT VARIOUS POINTS ON THE APCH. I WAS LOOKING FOR TFC, GETTING A FEEL FOR THE GENERAL ORIENTATION OF THE APCH. AS I APCHED GOZER, I SPOTTED THE BONANZA JUST AFTER IT FLASHED ACROSS IN FRONT OF ME, AND PROCEEDED OUTBOUND ON THE PROC TURN. A FEW MOMENTS LATER, I REACHED GOZER AND ALSO BEGAN THE PROC TURN. ORH TWR CONTACTED ME AT THAT POINT AND SAID THAT DBL WAS WORKING ANOTHER ACFT ON THE PRACTICE APCH AT GOZER, AND I MIGHT WANT TO FLY THE APCH AT 3500 FT. BY THEN, THE CONFLICT HAD ALREADY OCCURRED AND WAS RESOLVED. I CLBED TO 3500 FT TO STAY OUT OF THE OTHER ACFT'S WAY. AT 3000 FT, THIS IS NEAR OR BELOW RADAR COVERAGE FOR BDL. THEY MAY NOT HAVE HAD US ON RADAR AT THE TIME OF THE CONFLICT. HOWEVER, THEY HAD TO KNOW THAT 2 ACFT WERE BOTH ASKING FOR THE PRACTICE APCH AND COULD HAVE PROVIDED SOME INDICATION OF THIS. ALTHOUGH BOTH PLTS HAD RESPONSIBILITY TO SEE AND AVOID CONCEPT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL IF EITHER BDL OR ORH HAD INDICATED THAT ANOTHER ACFT WAS CONVERGING ON GOZER PRIOR TO TELLING ME TO RPT GOZER OUTBOUND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.