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Attributes | |
ACN | 571201 |
Time | |
Date | 200301 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : las.airport |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | msl single value : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : l30.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Challenger CL604 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : skebr two |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 14750 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 571201 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : company policies non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : provided flight assist controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to original clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Chart | sid : skebr.rnav |
Narrative:
While en route to klas, we were flying the skebr RNAV 1 arrival. Before reaching kepec intersection, we were cleared direct to ipumy intersection and told to expect runway 19R at klas. The skebr 1 arrival appears overly complicated and is somewhat confusing. Prior to reaching ipumy, I programmed the FMS for a runway 19R GPS approach. Ipumy was the start of the GPS approach. Being unfamiliar with the procedures at klas, I was thinking they would clear us for a right downwind for runway 19R. Wrong, I should have read the fine print, which would have kept me from writing this report. At ipumy, I activated the GPS runway 19R approach and started a turn north, thinking they would clear us for a visual approach with a right downwind for runway 19R. We were asked where we were going and when were told to make an immediate right turn direct povoc. I was unsure about turning left at ipumy and should have questioned approach control. Originally, we had the FMS programmed for a runway 25L approach. It just didn't make sense to overfly the airport and make a landing on runway 19R and also overfly the approach to runway 19L. Also, with intersection husol closer to runway 19R, it made more sense to head that direction. At most large airports, you don't overfly runways or approachs to runways. As of jan/fri/03, a revision to the skebr 1 arrival is the skebr 2 arrival, which eliminates husol , nelle, napse, condy, and other intxns. Ipumy, povok, and kimme are still there. A lot less confusing. After speaking with the supervisor of approach control, numerous other pilots have had the same confusion. I learned you have to read the fine print of the arrival and not just the diagram.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CHALLENGER 604 CAPT RPTED A TRACK DEV DURING APCH TO LAS WHILE ON THE SKEBR RNAV ARR.
Narrative: WHILE ENRTE TO KLAS, WE WERE FLYING THE SKEBR RNAV 1 ARR. BEFORE REACHING KEPEC INTXN, WE WERE CLRED DIRECT TO IPUMY INTXN AND TOLD TO EXPECT RWY 19R AT KLAS. THE SKEBR 1 ARR APPEARS OVERLY COMPLICATED AND IS SOMEWHAT CONFUSING. PRIOR TO REACHING IPUMY, I PROGRAMMED THE FMS FOR A RWY 19R GPS APCH. IPUMY WAS THE START OF THE GPS APCH. BEING UNFAMILIAR WITH THE PROCS AT KLAS, I WAS THINKING THEY WOULD CLR US FOR A R DOWNWIND FOR RWY 19R. WRONG, I SHOULD HAVE READ THE FINE PRINT, WHICH WOULD HAVE KEPT ME FROM WRITING THIS RPT. AT IPUMY, I ACTIVATED THE GPS RWY 19R APCH AND STARTED A TURN N, THINKING THEY WOULD CLR US FOR A VISUAL APCH WITH A R DOWNWIND FOR RWY 19R. WE WERE ASKED WHERE WE WERE GOING AND WHEN WERE TOLD TO MAKE AN IMMEDIATE R TURN DIRECT POVOC. I WAS UNSURE ABOUT TURNING L AT IPUMY AND SHOULD HAVE QUESTIONED APCH CTL. ORIGINALLY, WE HAD THE FMS PROGRAMMED FOR A RWY 25L APCH. IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO OVERFLY THE ARPT AND MAKE A LNDG ON RWY 19R AND ALSO OVERFLY THE APCH TO RWY 19L. ALSO, WITH INTXN HUSOL CLOSER TO RWY 19R, IT MADE MORE SENSE TO HEAD THAT DIRECTION. AT MOST LARGE ARPTS, YOU DON'T OVERFLY RWYS OR APCHS TO RWYS. AS OF JAN/FRI/03, A REVISION TO THE SKEBR 1 ARR IS THE SKEBR 2 ARR, WHICH ELIMINATES HUSOL , NELLE, NAPSE, CONDY, AND OTHER INTXNS. IPUMY, POVOK, AND KIMME ARE STILL THERE. A LOT LESS CONFUSING. AFTER SPEAKING WITH THE SUPVR OF APCH CTL, NUMEROUS OTHER PLTS HAVE HAD THE SAME CONFUSION. I LEARNED YOU HAVE TO READ THE FINE PRINT OF THE ARR AND NOT JUST THE DIAGRAM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.