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Attributes | |
ACN | 571725 |
Time | |
Date | 200301 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mco.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2900 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 35 other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 571725 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : executed missed approach flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
A very busy arrival period, and we were kept higher than I was used to. I was suspicious that our descent clearance would come too late to join the GS, and that, in fact, occurred (at the LOM we were still above the GS -- full scale deflection). We executed a missed approach prior to switching to tower. Approach control was busy, and I would estimate that it took 30 seconds for us to 'break in.' they requested we stay at 2000 ft. We climbed to 2900 ft prior to descending to 2000 ft. No TCASII advisories occurred. Contributing factors: busy ATC environment. IOE being conducted in our aircraft (new first officer: PF for this approach). (Captain/PIC/reporter is a check airman.) corrective actions: IOE pilot was in the early stages of line training. Environment was very hectic for his level of experience. If I see a similar situation developing in the future (suspected too high for approach when IMC and new IOE pilot) I will request approach vector us around again rather than let situation develop further. My 'personal minimums' have been raised once again.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALT OVERSHOT DURING MISSED APCH BY A CL65 FLC WHEN ATC KEPT THE FLT TOO HIGH FOR A STABILIZED APCH FOR RWY 35 AT MCO, FL.
Narrative: A VERY BUSY ARR PERIOD, AND WE WERE KEPT HIGHER THAN I WAS USED TO. I WAS SUSPICIOUS THAT OUR DSCNT CLRNC WOULD COME TOO LATE TO JOIN THE GS, AND THAT, IN FACT, OCCURRED (AT THE LOM WE WERE STILL ABOVE THE GS -- FULL SCALE DEFLECTION). WE EXECUTED A MISSED APCH PRIOR TO SWITCHING TO TWR. APCH CTL WAS BUSY, AND I WOULD ESTIMATE THAT IT TOOK 30 SECONDS FOR US TO 'BREAK IN.' THEY REQUESTED WE STAY AT 2000 FT. WE CLBED TO 2900 FT PRIOR TO DSNDING TO 2000 FT. NO TCASII ADVISORIES OCCURRED. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: BUSY ATC ENVIRONMENT. IOE BEING CONDUCTED IN OUR ACFT (NEW FO: PF FOR THIS APCH). (CAPT/PIC/RPTR IS A CHK AIRMAN.) CORRECTIVE ACTIONS: IOE PLT WAS IN THE EARLY STAGES OF LINE TRAINING. ENVIRONMENT WAS VERY HECTIC FOR HIS LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE. IF I SEE A SIMILAR SIT DEVELOPING IN THE FUTURE (SUSPECTED TOO HIGH FOR APCH WHEN IMC AND NEW IOE PLT) I WILL REQUEST APCH VECTOR US AROUND AGAIN RATHER THAN LET SIT DEVELOP FURTHER. MY 'PERSONAL MINIMUMS' HAVE BEEN RAISED ONCE AGAIN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.