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Attributes | |
ACN | 572352 |
Time | |
Date | 200301 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zab.artcc |
State Reference | NM |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 0 msl bound upper : 19000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc artcc : zdv.artcc tower : mia.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Beech 1900 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : takeoff climbout : initial ground : takeoff roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
ASRS Report | 572352 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication FAA |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Narrative:
When filing IFR to ffz, prescott FSS advised using ferer 5 STAR, which we did. Departing our airport, ZDV cleared us to ffz via the ferer 5. When we contacted ZAB and advised controller we were going direct 1 mi northwest ferer 5, he said that arrival had been discontinued about 1 yr ago and 'did you not know that?' he then cleared us for the jacobs 1 arrival. Why didn't FSS, ZDV, honeywell (our FMS database) and commercial charts know it had been discontinued for over 1 yr? Neither is there any notice in the fdc or local NOTAMS. It is still being printed on the back of the same commercial chart page as the jacobs 1.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BE1900 FLC FILES FOR DISCONTINUED STAR INTO FFZ.
Narrative: WHEN FILING IFR TO FFZ, PRESCOTT FSS ADVISED USING FERER 5 STAR, WHICH WE DID. DEPARTING OUR ARPT, ZDV CLRED US TO FFZ VIA THE FERER 5. WHEN WE CONTACTED ZAB AND ADVISED CTLR WE WERE GOING DIRECT 1 MI NW FERER 5, HE SAID THAT ARR HAD BEEN DISCONTINUED ABOUT 1 YR AGO AND 'DID YOU NOT KNOW THAT?' HE THEN CLRED US FOR THE JACOBS 1 ARR. WHY DIDN'T FSS, ZDV, HONEYWELL (OUR FMS DATABASE) AND COMMERCIAL CHARTS KNOW IT HAD BEEN DISCONTINUED FOR OVER 1 YR? NEITHER IS THERE ANY NOTICE IN THE FDC OR LCL NOTAMS. IT IS STILL BEING PRINTED ON THE BACK OF THE SAME COMMERCIAL CHART PAGE AS THE JACOBS 1.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.