B737 inbound to sfo missed crossing speed restr on STAR.

Attributes
ACN	574943
Time
Date	200302
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : sfo.airport
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl single value : 13000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zoa.artcc tower : cle.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B737-300
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	arrival star : modesto
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 1000
ASRS Report	574943
Person 2
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	574390
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

On descent into sfo, we missed the crossing restr at cedes intersection by 2000 ft and 50 KTS. I told captain we were high and not going to make the crossing restr at cedes intersection into on the modesto arrival into sfo. He immediately went to the FMS and started to page through the descent programming. About this time, ATC asked us to slow for sequencing and flow to 230 KTS. The captain continued to program the FMS. At this point, we were 7000 ft high on the descent profile. The captain now pulled the speed brake, but it was not enough drag to get us back on the descent profile. ATC now asked us if we needed a 360 degree turn to get down, and the captain said 'no, we'll make it.' if we had started down and not 'played' with the FMS when I said the first time we were high, we would have made the restr. We also should have advised ATC we were not able to make the restr and should have done the 360 degree turn.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: B737 INBOUND TO SFO MISSED XING SPD RESTR ON STAR.

Narrative: ON DSCNT INTO SFO, WE MISSED THE XING RESTR AT CEDES INTXN BY 2000 FT AND 50 KTS. I TOLD CAPT WE WERE HIGH AND NOT GOING TO MAKE THE XING RESTR AT CEDES INTXN INTO ON THE MODESTO ARR INTO SFO. HE IMMEDIATELY WENT TO THE FMS AND STARTED TO PAGE THROUGH THE DSCNT PROGRAMMING. ABOUT THIS TIME, ATC ASKED US TO SLOW FOR SEQUENCING AND FLOW TO 230 KTS. THE CAPT CONTINUED TO PROGRAM THE FMS. AT THIS POINT, WE WERE 7000 FT HIGH ON THE DSCNT PROFILE. THE CAPT NOW PULLED THE SPD BRAKE, BUT IT WAS NOT ENOUGH DRAG TO GET US BACK ON THE DSCNT PROFILE. ATC NOW ASKED US IF WE NEEDED A 360 DEG TURN TO GET DOWN, AND THE CAPT SAID 'NO, WE'LL MAKE IT.' IF WE HAD STARTED DOWN AND NOT 'PLAYED' WITH THE FMS WHEN I SAID THE FIRST TIME WE WERE HIGH, WE WOULD HAVE MADE THE RESTR. WE ALSO SHOULD HAVE ADVISED ATC WE WERE NOT ABLE TO MAKE THE RESTR AND SHOULD HAVE DONE THE 360 DEG TURN.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.