37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 576129 |
Time | |
Date | 200302 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bur.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon tower : bur.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Beechjet 400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : elmoo enroute airway : v363.airway |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | controller : radar pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | controller non radar : 8 controller radar : 8 flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 3800 flight time type : 1100 |
ASRS Report | 576129 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : became reoriented |
Consequence | faa : investigated faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Company Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During clearance delivery at bur, we were given the ELMOO5 departure with burbank 'left-7' rteing. I loaded the elmoo 5 into the FMS. I got distraction by the fuelers before I could ask clearance what the 'left-7' rteing was, and where it could be found on a chart of some kind. The route in the FMS was the elmoo 5 followed by sli, then direct to crq, our destination. During the departure procedure, we were told to intercept the pom 164 degree radial. We asked the controller (socal departure) what to fly, once we were on the pom 164 radial. The controller asked what rteing we were given. We told him we were uncertain of our rteing. We were given a handoff to the next controller, and told to ask for rteing to carlsbad. The next controller advised us to fly victor 363 from pomona, then intercept victor 23 to ocn, then direct carlsbad. We flew the remainder of the route to carlsbad. Upon landing at carlsbad, we were given the phone number to socal TRACON facility. I asked the controller about the rteing. He told me we should have been given the burbank L-7 rteing after the departure procedure. I asked him where the 'left-7' rteing could be found. He explained that it is only published in the airport/facility directory. Our company does not purchase, nor do we carry a personal copy of the AFD on the airplane. Looking back, I should have questioned the clearance controller at burbank about the 'left-7' route, and asked him to explain it. I also told the socal controller that preferred rtes or standard rtes that they use should be printed somewhere besides the AFD. Printing these rtes on low en route charts or putting them in with the approach charts would make them more accessible to all pilots.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CORPORATE BEECHJET 400A CAPT RPTED THAT HE DID NOT UNDERSTAND HIS CLRNC FROM BUR CLRNC, BUT TOOK OFF ANYWAY, CAUSING A HDG DEV.
Narrative: DURING CLRNC DELIVERY AT BUR, WE WERE GIVEN THE ELMOO5 DEP WITH BURBANK 'L-7' RTEING. I LOADED THE ELMOO 5 INTO THE FMS. I GOT DISTR BY THE FUELERS BEFORE I COULD ASK CLRNC WHAT THE 'L-7' RTEING WAS, AND WHERE IT COULD BE FOUND ON A CHART OF SOME KIND. THE RTE IN THE FMS WAS THE ELMOO 5 FOLLOWED BY SLI, THEN DIRECT TO CRQ, OUR DEST. DURING THE DEP PROC, WE WERE TOLD TO INTERCEPT THE POM 164 DEG RADIAL. WE ASKED THE CTLR (SOCAL DEP) WHAT TO FLY, ONCE WE WERE ON THE POM 164 RADIAL. THE CTLR ASKED WHAT RTEING WE WERE GIVEN. WE TOLD HIM WE WERE UNCERTAIN OF OUR RTEING. WE WERE GIVEN A HDOF TO THE NEXT CTLR, AND TOLD TO ASK FOR RTEING TO CARLSBAD. THE NEXT CTLR ADVISED US TO FLY VICTOR 363 FROM POMONA, THEN INTERCEPT VICTOR 23 TO OCN, THEN DIRECT CARLSBAD. WE FLEW THE REMAINDER OF THE RTE TO CARLSBAD. UPON LNDG AT CARLSBAD, WE WERE GIVEN THE PHONE NUMBER TO SOCAL TRACON FACILITY. I ASKED THE CTLR ABOUT THE RTEING. HE TOLD ME WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE BURBANK L-7 RTEING AFTER THE DEP PROC. I ASKED HIM WHERE THE 'L-7' RTEING COULD BE FOUND. HE EXPLAINED THAT IT IS ONLY PUBLISHED IN THE ARPT/FACILITY DIRECTORY. OUR COMPANY DOES NOT PURCHASE, NOR DO WE CARRY A PERSONAL COPY OF THE AFD ON THE AIRPLANE. LOOKING BACK, I SHOULD HAVE QUESTIONED THE CLRNC CTLR AT BURBANK ABOUT THE 'L-7' RTE, AND ASKED HIM TO EXPLAIN IT. I ALSO TOLD THE SOCAL CTLR THAT PREFERRED RTES OR STANDARD RTES THAT THEY USE SHOULD BE PRINTED SOMEWHERE BESIDES THE AFD. PRINTING THESE RTES ON LOW ENRTE CHARTS OR PUTTING THEM IN WITH THE APCH CHARTS WOULD MAKE THEM MORE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL PLTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.