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Attributes | |
ACN | 576943 |
Time | |
Date | 200303 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : gso.tracon |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : gso.tracon tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : gso.tracon |
Make Model Name | Cessna Citation Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 1700 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 576943 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to original clearance |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 vertical : 950 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were given a climb to 8000 ft from our altitude of 5000 ft, we had crossing traffic and were told to maintain 5000 ft until clear of traffic. The captain called the traffic, but I was flying. He pointed out the traffic, I looked, saw the traffic and initiated the climb. The problem was that the traffic was going to cross 1000 ft above and the paths were similar. The RA alarm triggered and the 'green' climb area was 1000 FPM. I was climbing at around 2500 FPM. I should have waited to start the climb until clear of the traffic, even though a smaller rate of ascent would have prevented the RA. I also feel that the PF should be responsible to call traffic, not the PNF. I did see the traffic, but I did not stop to calculate the closure rate so my decision to start the climb quickly was incorrect. I should have waited and used better judgement before I started the climb. Also, just because the other pilot calls traffic (captain or not), does not mean we will be clear of that traffic if you climb or descend and so forth.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ERJ-145 EXPERIENCED RA DURING CLBOUT.
Narrative: WE WERE GIVEN A CLB TO 8000 FT FROM OUR ALT OF 5000 FT, WE HAD XING TFC AND WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN 5000 FT UNTIL CLR OF TFC. THE CAPT CALLED THE TFC, BUT I WAS FLYING. HE POINTED OUT THE TFC, I LOOKED, SAW THE TFC AND INITIATED THE CLB. THE PROB WAS THAT THE TFC WAS GOING TO CROSS 1000 FT ABOVE AND THE PATHS WERE SIMILAR. THE RA ALARM TRIGGERED AND THE 'GREEN' CLB AREA WAS 1000 FPM. I WAS CLBING AT AROUND 2500 FPM. I SHOULD HAVE WAITED TO START THE CLB UNTIL CLR OF THE TFC, EVEN THOUGH A SMALLER RATE OF ASCENT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THE RA. I ALSO FEEL THAT THE PF SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO CALL TFC, NOT THE PNF. I DID SEE THE TFC, BUT I DID NOT STOP TO CALCULATE THE CLOSURE RATE SO MY DECISION TO START THE CLB QUICKLY WAS INCORRECT. I SHOULD HAVE WAITED AND USED BETTER JUDGEMENT BEFORE I STARTED THE CLB. ALSO, JUST BECAUSE THE OTHER PLT CALLS TFC (CAPT OR NOT), DOES NOT MEAN WE WILL BE CLR OF THAT TFC IF YOU CLB OR DSND AND SO FORTH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.