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Attributes | |
ACN | 577057 |
Time | |
Date | 200303 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cvg.airport |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : cvg.tower |
Make Model Name | McDonnell Douglas Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | ground : position and hold |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 2900 |
ASRS Report | 577057 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 577059 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical ground encounters other incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllerb other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : separated traffic controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Facility ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : cvg.tower |
Narrative:
On landing on runway 18R at approximately 100 KTS, tower asked if we could make taxiway J or taxiway K. We saw 2 (only) txwys lit up with green taxi centerline lights. One was on one side of runway 27 and the other was past runway 27. We said we could make one of these 2 green lit txwys. Since we were heavy and had a high approach speed, we crossed runway 27 and took the second taxiway. What the tower wanted was for us to hold short of runway 27 so they could use it for a takeoff. We couldn't refer to the taxi chart on the runway at 100 KTS and wrongly assumed that the txwys they wanted us to make were the lit green ones. If they had asked us if we could hold short of runway 27, that would have clarified the whole situation. If they had asked us in the air, it would have been even better. Their attempt to complete too many operations created an unsafe operation. Lahso's are no longer allowed on that runway and they were trying to do it 'under the table.' supplemental information from acn 577059: tower requested us to turn off at either taxiway J or taxiway K and asked if we could make either one. We said yes (as we were looking at 2 high speed green turnoff sets of lights). We were too fast for the first one, so we decided to take the next turnoff. Tower did not 'tell' us to hold short of runway 27 at any time. They 'expected' us to hold short of runway 27 with an early turnoff. Consequently, they canceled a takeoff clearance on runway 27, and had the aircraft behind us on runway 18R go around. Callback conversation with reporter acn 577057 revealed the following information: the other aircraft involved were a crj on final for runway 18R and an undefined model mcdonnell douglas on runway 27. Cancellation of both the landing and takeoff clearance was done in a timely manner with no conflict resulting. The touchdown point was at the normal point, but the landing was planned with minimum use of braking and reverse thrust due to economic considerations. During follow-up with the tower, it was learned that lahso is not authority/authorized, so the request for a turnoff to be made on the mentioned txwys is to avoid the appearance of lahso by using the runway 27 designation. The clearance during the landing roll as it was given was confusing, but according to the reporter, would have been more precise and less confusing if the runway would have been mentioned. Knowing then the precise desire of the tower, the request would have been refused because of the original landing rollout plan in this instance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DURING A NIGHT LNDG ROLL ON RWY 18R AT CVG, A B757 AT 100 KTS IS ASKED TO EXIT AT TXWY J OR TXWY K. ASSUMING THE UPCOMING 2 LIGHTED TXWYS WERE THE CORRECT ONES, A TURNOFF WAS MADE AT TXWY D4. A TKOF CLRNC WAS CANCELED ON RWY 27 AND THE FOLLOWING ACFT FOR LNDG RWY 18R HAD LNDG CLRNC CANCELED.
Narrative: ON LNDG ON RWY 18R AT APPROX 100 KTS, TWR ASKED IF WE COULD MAKE TXWY J OR TXWY K. WE SAW 2 (ONLY) TXWYS LIT UP WITH GREEN TAXI CTRLINE LIGHTS. ONE WAS ON ONE SIDE OF RWY 27 AND THE OTHER WAS PAST RWY 27. WE SAID WE COULD MAKE ONE OF THESE 2 GREEN LIT TXWYS. SINCE WE WERE HVY AND HAD A HIGH APCH SPD, WE CROSSED RWY 27 AND TOOK THE SECOND TXWY. WHAT THE TWR WANTED WAS FOR US TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 27 SO THEY COULD USE IT FOR A TKOF. WE COULDN'T REFER TO THE TAXI CHART ON THE RWY AT 100 KTS AND WRONGLY ASSUMED THAT THE TXWYS THEY WANTED US TO MAKE WERE THE LIT GREEN ONES. IF THEY HAD ASKED US IF WE COULD HOLD SHORT OF RWY 27, THAT WOULD HAVE CLARIFIED THE WHOLE SIT. IF THEY HAD ASKED US IN THE AIR, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EVEN BETTER. THEIR ATTEMPT TO COMPLETE TOO MANY OPS CREATED AN UNSAFE OP. LAHSO'S ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED ON THAT RWY AND THEY WERE TRYING TO DO IT 'UNDER THE TABLE.' SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 577059: TWR REQUESTED US TO TURN OFF AT EITHER TXWY J OR TXWY K AND ASKED IF WE COULD MAKE EITHER ONE. WE SAID YES (AS WE WERE LOOKING AT 2 HIGH SPD GREEN TURNOFF SETS OF LIGHTS). WE WERE TOO FAST FOR THE FIRST ONE, SO WE DECIDED TO TAKE THE NEXT TURNOFF. TWR DID NOT 'TELL' US TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 27 AT ANY TIME. THEY 'EXPECTED' US TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 27 WITH AN EARLY TURNOFF. CONSEQUENTLY, THEY CANCELED A TKOF CLRNC ON RWY 27, AND HAD THE ACFT BEHIND US ON RWY 18R GO AROUND. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR ACN 577057 REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE OTHER ACFT INVOLVED WERE A CRJ ON FINAL FOR RWY 18R AND AN UNDEFINED MODEL MCDONNELL DOUGLAS ON RWY 27. CANCELLATION OF BOTH THE LNDG AND TKOF CLRNC WAS DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER WITH NO CONFLICT RESULTING. THE TOUCHDOWN POINT WAS AT THE NORMAL POINT, BUT THE LNDG WAS PLANNED WITH MINIMUM USE OF BRAKING AND REVERSE THRUST DUE TO ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS. DURING FOLLOW-UP WITH THE TWR, IT WAS LEARNED THAT LAHSO IS NOT AUTH, SO THE REQUEST FOR A TURNOFF TO BE MADE ON THE MENTIONED TXWYS IS TO AVOID THE APPEARANCE OF LAHSO BY USING THE RWY 27 DESIGNATION. THE CLRNC DURING THE LNDG ROLL AS IT WAS GIVEN WAS CONFUSING, BUT ACCORDING TO THE RPTR, WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE PRECISE AND LESS CONFUSING IF THE RWY WOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED. KNOWING THEN THE PRECISE DESIRE OF THE TWR, THE REQUEST WOULD HAVE BEEN REFUSED BECAUSE OF THE ORIGINAL LNDG ROLLOUT PLAN IN THIS INSTANCE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.