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Attributes | |
ACN | 578042 |
Time | |
Date | 200304 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Rain Fog other |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon tower : teb.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream IV |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer only : 19 other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : missed approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 578042 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 109 flight time total : 7685 flight time type : 648 |
ASRS Report | 578043 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance flight crew : executed missed approach |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Airport Aircraft Weather Navigational Facility FAA Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Navigational Aid | TEB.VOR |
Narrative:
On arrival to teterboro, nj, cleared for ILS runway 19 with GS inoperative. Set up for localizer only runway 19 approach. On execution of the missed approach, 1500 ft was set in the altitude preselect. PF pressed go around on the autothrottles, which set go around EPR, and command bars displayed a 12 degree nose up climb. I selected flaps 20 degrees, gear up, heading 205 degrees, and flight level change. Command bars displayed 12 degree nose up. Aircraft climb rate was approximately 3000-4000 FPM. Altitude select did not capture. PF was stopping the climb, but at that rate of climb, was unable to stop it by 1500 ft, and approaching 3000 ft, exceeding missed approach altitude, leveled off. ATC advised us that we came close to another aircraft on approach to newark. We were given radar vectors for another approach to runway 19, GS inoperative. This approach ended in a missed approach. Aware this time that altitude did not capture before, autothrottles were not used, and a gradual climb to was made 1500 ft. Altitude hold came on. ATC vectored us for ILS runway 6, which ended in a landing. A maintenance item was entered, and a conversation with honeywell revealed that with the MDA of 580 ft and altitude of 1500 ft, the altitude select may not capture with such a high climb rate. Supplemental information from acn 578043: I was flying left seat. An autothrottle assisted missed approach was initiated. The altitude guidance did not capture the preselected missed approach altitude. They have researched honeywell manuals and queried honeywell representatives. According to both sources, the altitude guidance mode, preselect, may or may not capture certain outside parameters.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GLF4 CREW HAD AN ALT OVERSHOT WHILE ON A GAR AT RWY 19 AT TEB.
Narrative: ON ARR TO TETERBORO, NJ, CLRED FOR ILS RWY 19 WITH GS INOP. SET UP FOR LOC ONLY RWY 19 APCH. ON EXECUTION OF THE MISSED APCH, 1500 FT WAS SET IN THE ALT PRESELECT. PF PRESSED GAR ON THE AUTOTHROTTLES, WHICH SET GAR EPR, AND COMMAND BARS DISPLAYED A 12 DEG NOSE UP CLB. I SELECTED FLAPS 20 DEGS, GEAR UP, HDG 205 DEGS, AND FLT LEVEL CHANGE. COMMAND BARS DISPLAYED 12 DEG NOSE UP. ACFT CLB RATE WAS APPROX 3000-4000 FPM. ALT SELECT DID NOT CAPTURE. PF WAS STOPPING THE CLB, BUT AT THAT RATE OF CLB, WAS UNABLE TO STOP IT BY 1500 FT, AND APCHING 3000 FT, EXCEEDING MISSED APCH ALT, LEVELED OFF. ATC ADVISED US THAT WE CAME CLOSE TO ANOTHER ACFT ON APCH TO NEWARK. WE WERE GIVEN RADAR VECTORS FOR ANOTHER APCH TO RWY 19, GS INOP. THIS APCH ENDED IN A MISSED APCH. AWARE THIS TIME THAT ALT DID NOT CAPTURE BEFORE, AUTOTHROTTLES WERE NOT USED, AND A GRADUAL CLB TO WAS MADE 1500 FT. ALT HOLD CAME ON. ATC VECTORED US FOR ILS RWY 6, WHICH ENDED IN A LNDG. A MAINT ITEM WAS ENTERED, AND A CONVERSATION WITH HONEYWELL REVEALED THAT WITH THE MDA OF 580 FT AND ALT OF 1500 FT, THE ALT SELECT MAY NOT CAPTURE WITH SUCH A HIGH CLB RATE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 578043: I WAS FLYING L SEAT. AN AUTOTHROTTLE ASSISTED MISSED APCH WAS INITIATED. THE ALT GUIDANCE DID NOT CAPTURE THE PRESELECTED MISSED APCH ALT. THEY HAVE RESEARCHED HONEYWELL MANUALS AND QUERIED HONEYWELL REPRESENTATIVES. ACCORDING TO BOTH SOURCES, THE ALT GUIDANCE MODE, PRESELECT, MAY OR MAY NOT CAPTURE CERTAIN OUTSIDE PARAMETERS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.