Narrative:

Confusion on filed clearance versus 10-2 page arrs. ATC facility: toronto terminal arrival. Location: linng, youth 2. Our clrncs to canada, not only toronto, are to a point on our arrival pages, then direct. (Ie, linng, cyyz). Also, when entering runway in FMS the youth two arrival points may come up adding to the confusion. If the controller is busy, one may wonder whether to turn or proceed direct toward the field, ie, cyyz. Perhaps a note on the arrival page is in order, or filing clrncs to include the arrival, for example, the cedar creek 3 arrival into dfw. I know what the procedure is, ie, to fly dct to cyyz but in talking to terminal controllers it is obvious that our crews have some confusion over what is expected. The controllers suggest on initial contact with toronto to request the youth two if not already filed that way. This is a situation that comes up in cyul as well.

Related reports:

Google
 

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: RPTR FEELS THERE IS CONFUSION BTWN FILED CLRNCS AND TRACON EXPECTATIONS FOR ARR PROCS AT CYYZ. HE SUGGESTS THAT CHARTED ARR PROCS BE INCLUDED IN THE INITIAL FLT PLAN AND CLRNC.

Narrative: CONFUSION ON FILED CLRNC VERSUS 10-2 PAGE ARRS. ATC FACILITY: TORONTO TERMINAL ARR. LOCATION: LINNG, YOUTH 2. OUR CLRNCS TO CANADA, NOT ONLY TORONTO, ARE TO A POINT ON OUR ARR PAGES, THEN DIRECT. (IE, LINNG, CYYZ). ALSO, WHEN ENTERING RWY IN FMS THE YOUTH TWO ARR POINTS MAY COME UP ADDING TO THE CONFUSION. IF THE CTLR IS BUSY, ONE MAY WONDER WHETHER TO TURN OR PROCEED DIRECT TOWARD THE FIELD, IE, CYYZ. PERHAPS A NOTE ON THE ARR PAGE IS IN ORDER, OR FILING CLRNCS TO INCLUDE THE ARR, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CEDAR CREEK 3 ARR INTO DFW. I KNOW WHAT THE PROC IS, IE, TO FLY DCT TO CYYZ BUT IN TALKING TO TERMINAL CTLRS IT IS OBVIOUS THAT OUR CREWS HAVE SOME CONFUSION OVER WHAT IS EXPECTED. THE CTLRS SUGGEST ON INITIAL CONTACT WITH TORONTO TO REQUEST THE YOUTH TWO IF NOT ALREADY FILED THAT WAY. THIS IS A SIT THAT COMES UP IN CYUL AS WELL.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.