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Attributes | |
ACN | 579915 |
Time | |
Date | 200304 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : sprtn |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Citation Excel |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 900 |
ASRS Report | 579915 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was the PF, PNF on radio. We were IFR en route from mdw to ptk in VMC. In the descent from flight levels, descending through approximately 17000 ft MSL, lansing approach cleared us to 'descend to cross spartan at and maintain 5000 ft.' we (captain, PNF) read back the 5000 ft clearance. I was listening and it was clear to both of us that it was 5000 ft.' descending through about 7000 ft, lansing approach called and asked about our altitude, and informed us that she had cleared us to descend to cross spartan at 9000 ft. PNF informed controller 'we heard and read back 'fife' [reporter's spelling] thousand. We never heard 'niner' thousand as 'nine' should be spoken phonetically. The controller coordinated the altitude error with dtw approach as she was about to complete the handoff anyway. She stated there were 'no conflicts, no problem.' we were in good VMC with TCASII and observed no conflicts. This could have been avoided by the controller using proper phonetic pronunciations of numbers, ie, 'five=fife' and 'nine=niner.' this goes back to the basics!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C560 LNDG PTK DSNDS THROUGH ATC ASSIGNED ALT.
Narrative: I WAS THE PF, PNF ON RADIO. WE WERE IFR ENRTE FROM MDW TO PTK IN VMC. IN THE DSCNT FROM FLT LEVELS, DSNDING THROUGH APPROX 17000 FT MSL, LANSING APCH CLRED US TO 'DSND TO CROSS SPARTAN AT AND MAINTAIN 5000 FT.' WE (CAPT, PNF) READ BACK THE 5000 FT CLRNC. I WAS LISTENING AND IT WAS CLR TO BOTH OF US THAT IT WAS 5000 FT.' DSNDING THROUGH ABOUT 7000 FT, LANSING APCH CALLED AND ASKED ABOUT OUR ALT, AND INFORMED US THAT SHE HAD CLRED US TO DSND TO CROSS SPARTAN AT 9000 FT. PNF INFORMED CTLR 'WE HEARD AND READ BACK 'FIFE' [RPTR'S SPELLING] THOUSAND. WE NEVER HEARD 'NINER' THOUSAND AS 'NINE' SHOULD BE SPOKEN PHONETICALLY. THE CTLR COORDINATED THE ALT ERROR WITH DTW APCH AS SHE WAS ABOUT TO COMPLETE THE HDOF ANYWAY. SHE STATED THERE WERE 'NO CONFLICTS, NO PROB.' WE WERE IN GOOD VMC WITH TCASII AND OBSERVED NO CONFLICTS. THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED BY THE CTLR USING PROPER PHONETIC PRONUNCIATIONS OF NUMBERS, IE, 'FIVE=FIFE' AND 'NINE=NINER.' THIS GOES BACK TO THE BASICS!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.