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Attributes | |
ACN | 580198 |
Time | |
Date | 200304 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : hxd.airport |
State Reference | SC |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : roll |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | observation : passenger |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 44.3 flight time total : 401.6 flight time type : 140 |
ASRS Report | 580188 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 50 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Environmental Factor Airspace Structure Airport Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
My friend, a private pilot, was in the left seat, and I, an instrument-rated private pilot, was in the right seat as PIC. My friend was 'flying,' though this occurrence originated on the ground. We received our IFR clearance from savannah clearance delivery. We then changed to CTAF at hxd, and announced we were taxiing to runway 3. When at the hold-short line and #1 for departure, we contacted clearance again, as initially instructed by the controller. We recall the controller informing us of a jet on final, and he said we could depart after it landed. We changed back to CTAF and announced we were taking runway 3. As we taxied from the hold-short line, got on the centerline, and were rolling down the runway, another jet reported a 1-MI final and suggested we abort the takeoff and exit the runway immediately. We decided to continue the takeoff, as there is no high-speed taxiway at hxd, and slowing down to exit the runway would have increased the closure with the fast-moving jet. When we were just airborne, I recall the jet being about over the threshold. When we were almost over the threshold at the opposite end of the runway, about 300 ft AGL, I looked down and saw the jet on its landing rollout, just behind and below the right wing. Savannah clearance did not mention 2 jets, that we recall. From that point, all proceeded uneventfully. As far as what my friend and I should have done differently, we should have cleared final more carefully. My friend said he glanced at final and should have looked more closely. I recall only glancing myself, because he was 'flying,' and also, perhaps thought the only plane in the pattern was the jet that just landed before we departed. Also, because we had been monitoring only the clearance frequency, we should have monitored CTAF longer for a call from another plane or requested any traffic, please advise. Perhaps the controller had been referring to the second jet and not the first one. We did not question the controller after the occurrence, but should have. Also, the pilot from the jet could have notified us that he was on final as we announced we were taking the runway, instead of when we were on our roll. He could have executed a go around if he needed to. My friend and I certainly learned from this scenario.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: POTENTIAL CONFLICT OCCURS WHEN A DEP C172 TAKES THE RWY ON HIS TKOF ROLL AS A LNDG CORPORATE JET IS ON ABOUT A 1 MI FINAL AT HXD, SC.
Narrative: MY FRIEND, A PVT PLT, WAS IN THE L SEAT, AND I, AN INST-RATED PVT PLT, WAS IN THE R SEAT AS PIC. MY FRIEND WAS 'FLYING,' THOUGH THIS OCCURRENCE ORIGINATED ON THE GND. WE RECEIVED OUR IFR CLRNC FROM SAVANNAH CLRNC DELIVERY. WE THEN CHANGED TO CTAF AT HXD, AND ANNOUNCED WE WERE TAXIING TO RWY 3. WHEN AT THE HOLD-SHORT LINE AND #1 FOR DEP, WE CONTACTED CLRNC AGAIN, AS INITIALLY INSTRUCTED BY THE CTLR. WE RECALL THE CTLR INFORMING US OF A JET ON FINAL, AND HE SAID WE COULD DEPART AFTER IT LANDED. WE CHANGED BACK TO CTAF AND ANNOUNCED WE WERE TAKING RWY 3. AS WE TAXIED FROM THE HOLD-SHORT LINE, GOT ON THE CTRLINE, AND WERE ROLLING DOWN THE RWY, ANOTHER JET RPTED A 1-MI FINAL AND SUGGESTED WE ABORT THE TKOF AND EXIT THE RWY IMMEDIATELY. WE DECIDED TO CONTINUE THE TKOF, AS THERE IS NO HIGH-SPD TXWY AT HXD, AND SLOWING DOWN TO EXIT THE RWY WOULD HAVE INCREASED THE CLOSURE WITH THE FAST-MOVING JET. WHEN WE WERE JUST AIRBORNE, I RECALL THE JET BEING ABOUT OVER THE THRESHOLD. WHEN WE WERE ALMOST OVER THE THRESHOLD AT THE OPPOSITE END OF THE RWY, ABOUT 300 FT AGL, I LOOKED DOWN AND SAW THE JET ON ITS LNDG ROLLOUT, JUST BEHIND AND BELOW THE R WING. SAVANNAH CLRNC DID NOT MENTION 2 JETS, THAT WE RECALL. FROM THAT POINT, ALL PROCEEDED UNEVENTFULLY. AS FAR AS WHAT MY FRIEND AND I SHOULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY, WE SHOULD HAVE CLRED FINAL MORE CAREFULLY. MY FRIEND SAID HE GLANCED AT FINAL AND SHOULD HAVE LOOKED MORE CLOSELY. I RECALL ONLY GLANCING MYSELF, BECAUSE HE WAS 'FLYING,' AND ALSO, PERHAPS THOUGHT THE ONLY PLANE IN THE PATTERN WAS THE JET THAT JUST LANDED BEFORE WE DEPARTED. ALSO, BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN MONITORING ONLY THE CLRNC FREQ, WE SHOULD HAVE MONITORED CTAF LONGER FOR A CALL FROM ANOTHER PLANE OR REQUESTED ANY TFC, PLEASE ADVISE. PERHAPS THE CTLR HAD BEEN REFERRING TO THE SECOND JET AND NOT THE FIRST ONE. WE DID NOT QUESTION THE CTLR AFTER THE OCCURRENCE, BUT SHOULD HAVE. ALSO, THE PLT FROM THE JET COULD HAVE NOTIFIED US THAT HE WAS ON FINAL AS WE ANNOUNCED WE WERE TAKING THE RWY, INSTEAD OF WHEN WE WERE ON OUR ROLL. HE COULD HAVE EXECUTED A GAR IF HE NEEDED TO. MY FRIEND AND I CERTAINLY LEARNED FROM THIS SCENARIO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.