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The trpic 2 departure from orlando, fl, is flown with a transition not expected by the departure controller.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 581495 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200305 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : orl.airport |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | agl single value : 1500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : mco.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | BAe 125 Series 800 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure sid : trpic |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 800 |
| ASRS Report | 581495 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllerb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I believe that the trpic 2 departure (TRP2.trp) at orl is confusing and ambiguous. We were cleared for this departure from runway 25 to be vectored to pickup J53 to craig. Our course was clearly north, so we followed the instructions for the northwest departure runway 25. No other instructions on the plate referred to runway 25. When airborne, ATC queried us what departure we were flying, and insinuated that we should be flying the southwest departure. The altitude for both departures is the same, but one calls for a 290 degree heading and the other calls for a 250 degree heading. There are many flaws of logic and standardization on this plate. 1) pictorial only shows the northwest departure (a 290 degree heading). 2) the departure frequencys are not quadrant specific, as they are with every other plate. It is counter intuitive to use the 'southwest departure' when one is departing 'northwest on runway 25.' this must lead to so much confusion, especially when a pilot has the awareness that the massive mco (orlando international) lies just south, and the purpose of the orl departure procedures is to keep departing traffic from going south or too high. I recommend that the governing auths revise this departure to clear up the ambiguities.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE TRPIC 2 DEP FROM ORLANDO, FL, IS FLOWN WITH A TRANSITION NOT EXPECTED BY THE DEP CTLR.
Narrative: I BELIEVE THAT THE TRPIC 2 DEP (TRP2.TRP) AT ORL IS CONFUSING AND AMBIGUOUS. WE WERE CLRED FOR THIS DEP FROM RWY 25 TO BE VECTORED TO PICKUP J53 TO CRAIG. OUR COURSE WAS CLRLY N, SO WE FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE NW DEP RWY 25. NO OTHER INSTRUCTIONS ON THE PLATE REFERRED TO RWY 25. WHEN AIRBORNE, ATC QUERIED US WHAT DEP WE WERE FLYING, AND INSINUATED THAT WE SHOULD BE FLYING THE SW DEP. THE ALT FOR BOTH DEPS IS THE SAME, BUT ONE CALLS FOR A 290 DEG HDG AND THE OTHER CALLS FOR A 250 DEG HDG. THERE ARE MANY FLAWS OF LOGIC AND STANDARDIZATION ON THIS PLATE. 1) PICTORIAL ONLY SHOWS THE NW DEP (A 290 DEG HDG). 2) THE DEP FREQS ARE NOT QUADRANT SPECIFIC, AS THEY ARE WITH EVERY OTHER PLATE. IT IS COUNTER INTUITIVE TO USE THE 'SW DEP' WHEN ONE IS DEPARTING 'NW ON RWY 25.' THIS MUST LEAD TO SO MUCH CONFUSION, ESPECIALLY WHEN A PLT HAS THE AWARENESS THAT THE MASSIVE MCO (ORLANDO INTL) LIES JUST S, AND THE PURPOSE OF THE ORL DEP PROCS IS TO KEEP DEPARTING TFC FROM GOING S OR TOO HIGH. I RECOMMEND THAT THE GOVERNING AUTHS REVISE THIS DEP TO CLR UP THE AMBIGUITIES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.