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Attributes | |
ACN | 582247 |
Time | |
Date | 200305 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sjc.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : nct.tracon tower : sjc.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 135 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : nct.tracon tower : sjc.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8200 flight time type : 1100 |
ASRS Report | 582347 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Routine flight from to sjc. On vectors for visual approach to sjc runway 12R. Norcal pointed out aircraft Y on vectors for visual to runway 12L and instructed us to keep in sight, maintain 190 KIAS and cleared us visual runway 12R. We overtook the air carrier due to approach directed 190 KIAS speed. Aircraft passed abeam of each other with estimated 1000 ft lateral separation (probably same distance as between san jose's runways 12L/12R runway ctrlines. Air carrier crew asked tower if that was ok. Tower said yes. Our TCASII was, of course, providing RA alerts. While the situation did not appear dangerous, I think some limits should be placed on simultaneous visual approachs to closely spaced parallel runways: 1) no passing! 1 aircraft should be directed to remain behind, 2) TCASII should be switched to TA mode only. 3) perhaps cabin announcement would be good idea to avoid alarming passenger or give them a chance to get cameras ready.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ERJ135 FLT CREW QUESTIONS SJC TWR AS TO IF THE PROVIDED ACFT SPACING IS LEGAL.
Narrative: ROUTINE FLT FROM TO SJC. ON VECTORS FOR VISUAL APCH TO SJC RWY 12R. NORCAL POINTED OUT ACFT Y ON VECTORS FOR VISUAL TO RWY 12L AND INSTRUCTED US TO KEEP IN SIGHT, MAINTAIN 190 KIAS AND CLRED US VISUAL RWY 12R. WE OVERTOOK THE ACR DUE TO APCH DIRECTED 190 KIAS SPD. ACFT PASSED ABEAM OF EACH OTHER WITH ESTIMATED 1000 FT LATERAL SEPARATION (PROBABLY SAME DISTANCE AS BTWN SAN JOSE'S RWYS 12L/12R RWY CTRLINES. ACR CREW ASKED TWR IF THAT WAS OK. TWR SAID YES. OUR TCASII WAS, OF COURSE, PROVIDING RA ALERTS. WHILE THE SIT DID NOT APPEAR DANGEROUS, I THINK SOME LIMITS SHOULD BE PLACED ON SIMULTANEOUS VISUAL APCHS TO CLOSELY SPACED PARALLEL RWYS: 1) NO PASSING! 1 ACFT SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO REMAIN BEHIND, 2) TCASII SHOULD BE SWITCHED TO TA MODE ONLY. 3) PERHAPS CABIN ANNOUNCEMENT WOULD BE GOOD IDEA TO AVOID ALARMING PAX OR GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO GET CAMERAS READY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.