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Attributes | |
ACN | 583997 |
Time | |
Date | 200306 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna 310/T310C |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | observation : observer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time total : 24800 |
ASRS Report | 583997 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : tas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 30 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
This 'near miss' would absolutely and positively been a crash with the loss of our plane and people, had I not had the TCASII system installed in our plane. We were not given any warning of other traffic by our FAA controller at any time. I was in the right seat, my wife (also an ATP rated pilot) in the left seat. IFR flight plan from sna to bjc. Talking to ZLA controller in the vicinity of goffs VOR at 11000 ft roughly on V8. On autoplt, our TCASII system gave us aural and visual (yellow threat symbols) warning. We looked at the multi-function display screen and the traffic was shown to be approximately -100 ft below us, climbing. That was the first and only warning. No warning or traffic call by our ATC controller at any time. We looked up to see another plane directly in front of us with its left wing to us, at our altitude and approximately 30 ft in distance. I could see the pilot and the paint color. I put our airplane into a 45-60 degree right bank and guess that we missed that plane by less than 30 ft. As we rolled into our bank we received 2 sharp 'bumps' from the other airplane's wake. If we had not had the TCASII system onboard, and not immediately rolled away from the other plane, both planes would certainly have crashed. I am absolutely sure of this. When we were back in control of the situation (emotionally and physically), I asked the controller why she did not call out the traffic and she said 'I did not think he would climb that fast,' she said nothing else. I am assuming she gave the other plane a clearance through our altitude based on what she thought his climb capability was. She was apparently in radio contact with the other plane. Perhaps I am wrong in assuming that the other plane was under ATC control at all. But, by the controller's own comment, that at least tells me that she did see the other plane and could have pointed it out to us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IFR C310 EXPERIENCED NMAC WITH UNRPTED TFC WHILE UNDER ZLA CTL.
Narrative: THIS 'NEAR MISS' WOULD ABSOLUTELY AND POSITIVELY BEEN A CRASH WITH THE LOSS OF OUR PLANE AND PEOPLE, HAD I NOT HAD THE TCASII SYS INSTALLED IN OUR PLANE. WE WERE NOT GIVEN ANY WARNING OF OTHER TFC BY OUR FAA CTLR AT ANY TIME. I WAS IN THE R SEAT, MY WIFE (ALSO AN ATP RATED PLT) IN THE L SEAT. IFR FLT PLAN FROM SNA TO BJC. TALKING TO ZLA CTLR IN THE VICINITY OF GOFFS VOR AT 11000 FT ROUGHLY ON V8. ON AUTOPLT, OUR TCASII SYS GAVE US AURAL AND VISUAL (YELLOW THREAT SYMBOLS) WARNING. WE LOOKED AT THE MULTI-FUNCTION DISPLAY SCREEN AND THE TFC WAS SHOWN TO BE APPROX -100 FT BELOW US, CLBING. THAT WAS THE FIRST AND ONLY WARNING. NO WARNING OR TFC CALL BY OUR ATC CTLR AT ANY TIME. WE LOOKED UP TO SEE ANOTHER PLANE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF US WITH ITS L WING TO US, AT OUR ALT AND APPROX 30 FT IN DISTANCE. I COULD SEE THE PLT AND THE PAINT COLOR. I PUT OUR AIRPLANE INTO A 45-60 DEG R BANK AND GUESS THAT WE MISSED THAT PLANE BY LESS THAN 30 FT. AS WE ROLLED INTO OUR BANK WE RECEIVED 2 SHARP 'BUMPS' FROM THE OTHER AIRPLANE'S WAKE. IF WE HAD NOT HAD THE TCASII SYS ONBOARD, AND NOT IMMEDIATELY ROLLED AWAY FROM THE OTHER PLANE, BOTH PLANES WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE CRASHED. I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE OF THIS. WHEN WE WERE BACK IN CTL OF THE SIT (EMOTIONALLY AND PHYSICALLY), I ASKED THE CTLR WHY SHE DID NOT CALL OUT THE TFC AND SHE SAID 'I DID NOT THINK HE WOULD CLB THAT FAST,' SHE SAID NOTHING ELSE. I AM ASSUMING SHE GAVE THE OTHER PLANE A CLRNC THROUGH OUR ALT BASED ON WHAT SHE THOUGHT HIS CLB CAPABILITY WAS. SHE WAS APPARENTLY IN RADIO CONTACT WITH THE OTHER PLANE. PERHAPS I AM WRONG IN ASSUMING THAT THE OTHER PLANE WAS UNDER ATC CTL AT ALL. BUT, BY THE CTLR'S OWN COMMENT, THAT AT LEAST TELLS ME THAT SHE DID SEE THE OTHER PLANE AND COULD HAVE POINTED IT OUT TO US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.