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Attributes | |
ACN | 585241 |
Time | |
Date | 200306 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : hec.vortac |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 29800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc tower : lax.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 5400 flight time type : 470 |
ASRS Report | 585241 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
Our aircraft had leveled at FL290, and were then issued a climb by lax center (125.72) to FL310. Admittedly, I was perplexed as we were filed for FL290, but I assumed he was stepping us up to FL330 as we were eastbound from lax to slc. Our aircraft was then handed off to lax center (132.62). While climbing through FL298, the controller asked how long it would take us to be at FL290. I replied 'about 30 seconds.' he then asked how long it would take us to reach FL330. I told him about 5 mins. He requested that we descend and maintain FL290. He then stated that FL310 was wrong for the direction of flight, and that the last controller didn't know where we got FL310 from. I told him that the last controller did, in fact, issue a climb to FL310, and that we were a bit perplexed as we were filed to FL290, but that I assumed that he was stepping us up to FL330. A few moments later, I told the controller that if the last controller still had a question, have him mark the tape and go back and listen to it. The controller made no further comment, nor was there any further discussion pursuant to our ATC generated altitude misassignment. It is becoming all too common an occurrence to say the wrong aircraft call sign when issuing clrncs. On an average 4-DAY trip, I hear ATC make this mistake at least 7-8 times. Perhaps more disconcerting is the fact that ATC controllers rarely actually listen to a crew readback. I hear many miscommunications occur, and ATC rarely responds when an incorrect readback is transmitted. Needless to say, I will no longer give ATC the benefit of the doubt, and will query any questionable altitude assignment.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CL65 IS CONFUSED REGARDING ATC ASSIGNED ALT IN ZLA AIRSPACE.
Narrative: OUR ACFT HAD LEVELED AT FL290, AND WERE THEN ISSUED A CLB BY LAX CTR (125.72) TO FL310. ADMITTEDLY, I WAS PERPLEXED AS WE WERE FILED FOR FL290, BUT I ASSUMED HE WAS STEPPING US UP TO FL330 AS WE WERE EBOUND FROM LAX TO SLC. OUR ACFT WAS THEN HANDED OFF TO LAX CTR (132.62). WHILE CLBING THROUGH FL298, THE CTLR ASKED HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE US TO BE AT FL290. I REPLIED 'ABOUT 30 SECONDS.' HE THEN ASKED HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE US TO REACH FL330. I TOLD HIM ABOUT 5 MINS. HE REQUESTED THAT WE DSND AND MAINTAIN FL290. HE THEN STATED THAT FL310 WAS WRONG FOR THE DIRECTION OF FLT, AND THAT THE LAST CTLR DIDN'T KNOW WHERE WE GOT FL310 FROM. I TOLD HIM THAT THE LAST CTLR DID, IN FACT, ISSUE A CLB TO FL310, AND THAT WE WERE A BIT PERPLEXED AS WE WERE FILED TO FL290, BUT THAT I ASSUMED THAT HE WAS STEPPING US UP TO FL330. A FEW MOMENTS LATER, I TOLD THE CTLR THAT IF THE LAST CTLR STILL HAD A QUESTION, HAVE HIM MARK THE TAPE AND GO BACK AND LISTEN TO IT. THE CTLR MADE NO FURTHER COMMENT, NOR WAS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION PURSUANT TO OUR ATC GENERATED ALT MISASSIGNMENT. IT IS BECOMING ALL TOO COMMON AN OCCURRENCE TO SAY THE WRONG ACFT CALL SIGN WHEN ISSUING CLRNCS. ON AN AVERAGE 4-DAY TRIP, I HEAR ATC MAKE THIS MISTAKE AT LEAST 7-8 TIMES. PERHAPS MORE DISCONCERTING IS THE FACT THAT ATC CTLRS RARELY ACTUALLY LISTEN TO A CREW READBACK. I HEAR MANY MISCOMMUNICATIONS OCCUR, AND ATC RARELY RESPONDS WHEN AN INCORRECT READBACK IS XMITTED. NEEDLESS TO SAY, I WILL NO LONGER GIVE ATC THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, AND WILL QUERY ANY QUESTIONABLE ALT ASSIGNMENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.