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Attributes | |
ACN | 585994 |
Time | |
Date | 200306 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Fog |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : bet.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-10 30F |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : atl.tower |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 8700 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 585994 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Weather Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Our taxi clearance was to taxi up to and hold short of runway 8L on taxiway a at taxiway C. Clearance was acknowledged and read back. Approximately 150 ft east of taxiway C on taxiway a, atl ground control told us 'changing to plan B, expedite your taxi, cross runway 8L at taxiway C, traffic at the marker.' we acknowledged the clearance to cross runway 8L at taxiway C, and I confirmed the clearance with the first officer who concurred. Approximately halfway through the turn onto taxiway C, atl ground control told us to 'hold short of runway 8L at taxiway C, landing traffic.' I brought the aircraft to an emergency stop, in the turn, and I informed ground control that we had crossed the hold short line on taxiway C and we were stopped but not on runway 8L. Ground control acknowledged, but gave no further instructions, nor did they inquire if any part of our aircraft might pose an obstruction to landing aircraft. Approximately 10 seconds later, out of the fog, an aircraft landed on runway 8L. Atl ground control then gave us, and we acknowledged, taxi clearance to 'cross runway 8L at taxiway C and cross runway 8R, turn right at taxiway east on the other side.' no further conflicts occurred and the remainder of the flight was uneventful. Visibility was restr, 4500 ft RVR, which may have caused some confusion for the ground controller. However, the issuance of a clearance to cross in an 'expedited' manner, and the ensuing clearance to hold short in the turn, given to us at the last moment, posed a potentially dangerous situation for both aircraft. Additionally, the controller never queried us as to how far across the hold short line our aircraft was therefore, posing potential conflict for the landing aircraft. The landing aircraft did not execute a go around. The hold short line I estimated was bisecting our aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT OF MD10 FEELS UNTIMELY CLRNCS FROM GND CTLR RESULTED IN A RWY INCURSION ACROSS HOLD SHORT LINE OF RWY 8L AT ATL.
Narrative: OUR TAXI CLRNC WAS TO TAXI UP TO AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 8L ON TXWY A AT TXWY C. CLRNC WAS ACKNOWLEDGED AND READ BACK. APPROX 150 FT E OF TXWY C ON TXWY A, ATL GND CTL TOLD US 'CHANGING TO PLAN B, EXPEDITE YOUR TAXI, CROSS RWY 8L AT TXWY C, TFC AT THE MARKER.' WE ACKNOWLEDGED THE CLRNC TO CROSS RWY 8L AT TXWY C, AND I CONFIRMED THE CLRNC WITH THE FO WHO CONCURRED. APPROX HALFWAY THROUGH THE TURN ONTO TXWY C, ATL GND CTL TOLD US TO 'HOLD SHORT OF RWY 8L AT TXWY C, LNDG TFC.' I BROUGHT THE ACFT TO AN EMER STOP, IN THE TURN, AND I INFORMED GND CTL THAT WE HAD CROSSED THE HOLD SHORT LINE ON TXWY C AND WE WERE STOPPED BUT NOT ON RWY 8L. GND CTL ACKNOWLEDGED, BUT GAVE NO FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS, NOR DID THEY INQUIRE IF ANY PART OF OUR ACFT MIGHT POSE AN OBSTRUCTION TO LNDG ACFT. APPROX 10 SECONDS LATER, OUT OF THE FOG, AN ACFT LANDED ON RWY 8L. ATL GND CTL THEN GAVE US, AND WE ACKNOWLEDGED, TAXI CLRNC TO 'CROSS RWY 8L AT TXWY C AND CROSS RWY 8R, TURN R AT TXWY E ON THE OTHER SIDE.' NO FURTHER CONFLICTS OCCURRED AND THE REMAINDER OF THE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL. VISIBILITY WAS RESTR, 4500 FT RVR, WHICH MAY HAVE CAUSED SOME CONFUSION FOR THE GND CTLR. HOWEVER, THE ISSUANCE OF A CLRNC TO CROSS IN AN 'EXPEDITED' MANNER, AND THE ENSUING CLRNC TO HOLD SHORT IN THE TURN, GIVEN TO US AT THE LAST MOMENT, POSED A POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS SIT FOR BOTH ACFT. ADDITIONALLY, THE CTLR NEVER QUERIED US AS TO HOW FAR ACROSS THE HOLD SHORT LINE OUR ACFT WAS THEREFORE, POSING POTENTIAL CONFLICT FOR THE LNDG ACFT. THE LNDG ACFT DID NOT EXECUTE A GAR. THE HOLD SHORT LINE I ESTIMATED WAS BISECTING OUR ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.