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Attributes | |
ACN | 588196 |
Time | |
Date | 200307 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bil.airport |
State Reference | MT |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4200 msl bound upper : 4900 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : bil.tower tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : bil.tower |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 5500 |
ASRS Report | 588196 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : bil.tower |
Narrative:
Tower cleared us for departure with a right turn to heading 120 degrees. At 4200 ft MSL started right turn to 120 degree heading. Almost immediately we received a TA. Tower told us to turn further to 150 degree heading. At 4900 ft we received a descending RA. We followed TCASII instructions and received a clear of conflict. Aircraft in question was never seen. Red RA square passed to the left of the aircraft image on the TCASII instrument dial. After we were through 10000 ft and on our way I called back and asked about the other aircraft. I do not remember if it was tower or departure that I spoke with, but they informed me that they had an aircraft on an approach from the east. Information XXXX was current, 050 degrees at 8 KTS 10 mi visibility clear runway 32/10 altimeter 30.10 inches runway 10L in use. As we were cleared for departure and on takeoff roll I saw no aircraft in our path. I do question the separation standards used to have an aircraft on approach from the east and departing a jet airliner to the east.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EVASIVE ACTION REQUIRED BY THE FLT CREW OF A DEP DC9 WHEN TCASII ALERTS THEM TO TFC DURING THEIR DEP TURN OUT AFTER TKOF FROM BIL, MT.
Narrative: TWR CLRED US FOR DEP WITH A R TURN TO HEADING 120 DEGS. AT 4200 FT MSL STARTED R TURN TO 120 DEG HDG. ALMOST IMMEDIATELY WE RECEIVED A TA. TWR TOLD US TO TURN FURTHER TO 150 DEG HDG. AT 4900 FT WE RECEIVED A DSNDING RA. WE FOLLOWED TCASII INSTRUCTIONS AND RECEIVED A CLR OF CONFLICT. ACFT IN QUESTION WAS NEVER SEEN. RED RA SQUARE PASSED TO THE L OF THE ACFT IMAGE ON THE TCASII INST DIAL. AFTER WE WERE THROUGH 10000 FT AND ON OUR WAY I CALLED BACK AND ASKED ABOUT THE OTHER ACFT. I DO NOT REMEMBER IF IT WAS TWR OR DEP THAT I SPOKE WITH, BUT THEY INFORMED ME THAT THEY HAD AN ACFT ON AN APCH FROM THE E. INFO XXXX WAS CURRENT, 050 DEGS AT 8 KTS 10 MI VISIBILITY CLR RWY 32/10 ALTIMETER 30.10 INCHES RWY 10L IN USE. AS WE WERE CLRED FOR DEP AND ON TKOF ROLL I SAW NO ACFT IN OUR PATH. I DO QUESTION THE SEPARATION STANDARDS USED TO HAVE AN ACFT ON APCH FROM THE E AND DEPARTING A JET AIRLINER TO THE E.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.