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Attributes | |
ACN | 589082 |
Time | |
Date | 200308 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ojc.airport |
State Reference | KS |
Altitude | msl single value : 5500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Turbulence other |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc.artcc tracon : mci.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude descent : approach |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 28.2 flight time total : 46.9 flight time type : 46.9 |
ASRS Report | 589802 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
The problem arose when I was handed off from ZKC to kansas city approach. I was descending for 5500 ft from 7500 ft. I finished my descent while being handed off. Kansas city approach cleared me through B airspace at 4500 ft to mkc for landing. I responded 'negative, student pilot, I can't be there in B airspace.' approach responded with, 'hold on while I check, but I don't think that is right.' approach comes back with 'that's not right, but descend to 3500 ft.' by this time, I believe I had entered B airspace, but am not absolutely certain. From 3500 ft, I continued inbound to mkc without any further problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PA28-161 STUDENT PLT WAS UNSURE IF HE WAS ALLOWED TO ENTER CLASS B AFTER BEING CLRED BY MCI.
Narrative: THE PROB AROSE WHEN I WAS HANDED OFF FROM ZKC TO KANSAS CITY APCH. I WAS DSNDING FOR 5500 FT FROM 7500 FT. I FINISHED MY DSCNT WHILE BEING HANDED OFF. KANSAS CITY APCH CLRED ME THROUGH B AIRSPACE AT 4500 FT TO MKC FOR LNDG. I RESPONDED 'NEGATIVE, STUDENT PLT, I CAN'T BE THERE IN B AIRSPACE.' APCH RESPONDED WITH, 'HOLD ON WHILE I CHK, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS RIGHT.' APCH COMES BACK WITH 'THAT'S NOT RIGHT, BUT DSND TO 3500 FT.' BY THIS TIME, I BELIEVE I HAD ENTERED B AIRSPACE, BUT AM NOT ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN. FROM 3500 FT, I CONTINUED INBOUND TO MKC WITHOUT ANY FURTHER PROB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.