MD80 flight crew challenged by stl ground control when repositioning in the holding pad between runw...

Attributes
ACN	590042
Time
Date	200308
Day	Sun
Place
Locale Reference	airport : stl.airport
State Reference	MO
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : stl.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-80 Super 80
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : holding ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	590042
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Airport Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : stl.tower
Airport	procedure or policy : stl.airport

Narrative:

Directed to enter penalty box after landing runway 30R. After several mins, first officer advises gate is open. Several attempts to contact stl ground are ignored. Not a whole bunch of chatter going on, I got the impression we were being ignored by design. To expedite flow, I maneuvered the aircraft approximately 2 lengths toward a taxiway in preparation for crossing runway 30L. I was immediately jumped on by stl ground and directed back in the box, where we were apparently held for discipline and punishment for many more mins before being allowed to proceed. There were no ground traffic conflicts in our immediate area. My take on the whole thing the FAA needs to standardize ATC ground controller practices across the system. Examples at dfw, when clearing a runway, you are expected to stop before an intersecting taxiway. If you do that at lax -- they get really cheesed. If you do not keep moving at ord -- you get screamed at. Standardize control procedures.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MD80 FLT CREW CHALLENGED BY STL GND CTL WHEN REPOSITIONING IN THE HOLDING PAD BTWN RWYS 30L-R. CONCERNS ON ALL ARPTS TAXI CLRNC STANDARDIZATION AND IMPRESSION OF STL GND CTL HANDLING.

Narrative: DIRECTED TO ENTER PENALTY BOX AFTER LNDG RWY 30R. AFTER SEVERAL MINS, FO ADVISES GATE IS OPEN. SEVERAL ATTEMPTS TO CONTACT STL GND ARE IGNORED. NOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF CHATTER GOING ON, I GOT THE IMPRESSION WE WERE BEING IGNORED BY DESIGN. TO EXPEDITE FLOW, I MANEUVERED THE ACFT APPROX 2 LENGTHS TOWARD A TXWY IN PREPARATION FOR XING RWY 30L. I WAS IMMEDIATELY JUMPED ON BY STL GND AND DIRECTED BACK IN THE BOX, WHERE WE WERE APPARENTLY HELD FOR DISCIPLINE AND PUNISHMENT FOR MANY MORE MINS BEFORE BEING ALLOWED TO PROCEED. THERE WERE NO GND TFC CONFLICTS IN OUR IMMEDIATE AREA. MY TAKE ON THE WHOLE THING THE FAA NEEDS TO STANDARDIZE ATC GND CTLR PRACTICES ACROSS THE SYS. EXAMPLES AT DFW, WHEN CLRING A RWY, YOU ARE EXPECTED TO STOP BEFORE AN INTERSECTING TXWY. IF YOU DO THAT AT LAX -- THEY GET REALLY CHEESED. IF YOU DO NOT KEEP MOVING AT ORD -- YOU GET SCREAMED AT. STANDARDIZE CTL PROCS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

MD80 flight crew challenged by stl ground control when repositioning in the holding pad between runways 30L-right. Concerns on all airports taxi clearance standardization and impression of stl ground control handling.