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Attributes | |
ACN | 594265 |
Time | |
Date | 200304 |
Day | Fri |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sna.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sna.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : position and hold |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sna.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground : takeoff roll |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
ASRS Report | 594265 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 594266 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory flight crew : rejected takeoff other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 50 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
At sna, we were cleared into position and hold on runway 19R. A cessna 172 type was cleared for takeoff from runway 19R intersection 'K' at the same time. He was told that we would be in position holding for full length. As we entered the runway, I checked final -- it was clear. The cessna departed. About 1-2 mins later, when the cessna was clear of departure path, we were cleared for takeoff. At that exact time, an aircraft Z overflew our aircraft as if to land -- missing us by about 50 ft vertically. He stayed over the runway, never actually touching down, but flying erratically, banking from side to side, then departing on left crosswind low level. We held in position and then tower instructed to hold. Once aircraft Z departed the area, tower asked us if we were ready for takeoff again. We then departed without incident. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter received following incident information via chief pilot. Other aircraft was a lancair. The pilot was low time, soloing in the traffic pattern. The lancair was too fast for landing, overshot runway 19L base to final, thus overflying the in-position E145. The runway 19L controller said that he was aware of the overshoot, but could not timely advise the runway 19R of the event. The chief pilot was advised by the tower spokesman that 'they were taking care of it,' and had contacted the flight school's representative instructor. The reporter's personal opinion is that, because of the split local control frequencys, the close proximity of the 2 runways, the heavy helicopter and pilot training activities, that no one should be put into position on runway 19R for more than 1 min -- ever! Supplemental information from acn 594266: he flew over the runway at approximately 10 fgt all the way down then took off again, turned left crosswind when he departed the area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: HOLDING IN POS FOR TKOF ON SNA RWY 19R, E145 FLT CREW OBSERVE A GA ACFT OVERFLY THEIR ACFT AT APPROX 50 FT JUST AS THEY RECEIVE TKOF CLRNC FROM TWR.
Narrative: AT SNA, WE WERE CLRED INTO POS AND HOLD ON RWY 19R. A CESSNA 172 TYPE WAS CLRED FOR TKOF FROM RWY 19R INTXN 'K' AT THE SAME TIME. HE WAS TOLD THAT WE WOULD BE IN POS HOLDING FOR FULL LENGTH. AS WE ENTERED THE RWY, I CHKED FINAL -- IT WAS CLR. THE CESSNA DEPARTED. ABOUT 1-2 MINS LATER, WHEN THE CESSNA WAS CLR OF DEP PATH, WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF. AT THAT EXACT TIME, AN ACFT Z OVERFLEW OUR ACFT AS IF TO LAND -- MISSING US BY ABOUT 50 FT VERTLY. HE STAYED OVER THE RWY, NEVER ACTUALLY TOUCHING DOWN, BUT FLYING ERRATICALLY, BANKING FROM SIDE TO SIDE, THEN DEPARTING ON L XWIND LOW LEVEL. WE HELD IN POS AND THEN TWR INSTRUCTED TO HOLD. ONCE ACFT Z DEPARTED THE AREA, TWR ASKED US IF WE WERE READY FOR TKOF AGAIN. WE THEN DEPARTED WITHOUT INCIDENT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR RECEIVED FOLLOWING INCIDENT INFO VIA CHIEF PLT. OTHER ACFT WAS A LANCAIR. THE PLT WAS LOW TIME, SOLOING IN THE TFC PATTERN. THE LANCAIR WAS TOO FAST FOR LNDG, OVERSHOT RWY 19L BASE TO FINAL, THUS OVERFLYING THE IN-POS E145. THE RWY 19L CTLR SAID THAT HE WAS AWARE OF THE OVERSHOOT, BUT COULD NOT TIMELY ADVISE THE RWY 19R OF THE EVENT. THE CHIEF PLT WAS ADVISED BY THE TWR SPOKESMAN THAT 'THEY WERE TAKING CARE OF IT,' AND HAD CONTACTED THE FLT SCHOOL'S REPRESENTATIVE INSTRUCTOR. THE RPTR'S PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT, BECAUSE OF THE SPLIT LCL CTL FREQS, THE CLOSE PROX OF THE 2 RWYS, THE HVY HELI AND PLT TRAINING ACTIVITIES, THAT NO ONE SHOULD BE PUT INTO POS ON RWY 19R FOR MORE THAN 1 MIN -- EVER! SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 594266: HE FLEW OVER THE RWY AT APPROX 10 FGT ALL THE WAY DOWN THEN TOOK OFF AGAIN, TURNED L XWIND WHEN HE DEPARTED THE AREA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.