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Attributes | |
ACN | 597420 |
Time | |
Date | 200310 |
Day | Thu |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mhr.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 1800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 135 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 597420 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Situations | |
Airport | procedure or policy : mhr.airport |
Narrative:
Sacramento county airport officials don't seem to understand potential danger caused by their non standard turbine traffic pattern altitude in the airport facility directory. In addition they have ignored my calls and e-mails to correct the problem. Problem started when airport officials requested an increase in pattern altitudes to accommodate a housing development/school under the north runway used primarily for piston aircraft. FAA apparently turned down the increase for piston aircraft, but left the turbine altitude increase to 1800 ft AGL in place for no apparent reason. Having a non standard turbine pattern is bad enough, in itself, but it now conflicts with the military overhead pattern (used daily by beale AFB T38's) and flown at 2000 ft AGL -- that's 200 ft vertical separation! Suggest either returning turbine pattern to 1500 ft AGL standard or publishing an overhead pattern altitude of 2300 ft AGL to maintain 500 ft separation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EMJ PLT IS CONCERNED WITH PUBLISHED PATTERN ALTS AT MHR ARPT.
Narrative: SACRAMENTO COUNTY ARPT OFFICIALS DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND POTENTIAL DANGER CAUSED BY THEIR NON STANDARD TURBINE TFC PATTERN ALT IN THE ARPT FACILITY DIRECTORY. IN ADDITION THEY HAVE IGNORED MY CALLS AND E-MAILS TO CORRECT THE PROB. PROB STARTED WHEN ARPT OFFICIALS REQUESTED AN INCREASE IN PATTERN ALTS TO ACCOMMODATE A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT/SCHOOL UNDER THE N RWY USED PRIMARILY FOR PISTON ACFT. FAA APPARENTLY TURNED DOWN THE INCREASE FOR PISTON ACFT, BUT LEFT THE TURBINE ALT INCREASE TO 1800 FT AGL IN PLACE FOR NO APPARENT REASON. HAVING A NON STANDARD TURBINE PATTERN IS BAD ENOUGH, IN ITSELF, BUT IT NOW CONFLICTS WITH THE MIL OVERHEAD PATTERN (USED DAILY BY BEALE AFB T38'S) AND FLOWN AT 2000 FT AGL -- THAT'S 200 FT VERT SEPARATION! SUGGEST EITHER RETURNING TURBINE PATTERN TO 1500 FT AGL STANDARD OR PUBLISHING AN OVERHEAD PATTERN ALT OF 2300 FT AGL TO MAINTAIN 500 FT SEPARATION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.