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Attributes | |
ACN | 599057 |
Time | |
Date | 200311 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : aml.vortac |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl single value : 3800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : pct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 4100 flight time type : 2100 |
ASRS Report | 599057 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : pct.tracon |
Narrative:
On a vector and descent into washington dulles, we were asked what altitude we were descending to. I responded 3000 ft, as our altitude preselect was set to. Approach (potomac) responded, we should climb to 4000 ft. The captain swore we were given 3000 ft. I, the PNF, do not remember the altitude approach had given, but the preselect was set at 3000 ft, so we must have verified the altitude was correct. We, I responded to ATC, 'you gave us 3000 ft.' he said, 'I must have taken the wrong altitude from another aircraft.' 2 problems here: first, we are frequently given altitudes by approach that put us under the class B airspace with a speed restr above 200 KTS and left to us to somehow figure out where the airspace is. Second, we are required by our company to call 'in range' with our airport facilities. Both take away time and attention of the most important thing 'flying the aircraft.' we need some sort of graphical depiction on our FMS as to airspace and altitudes and we should only call our company for issues the company does not know about. Also, the communication system must be improved. If we had taken another altitude for another aircraft, someone should have known.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CL65 FLT CREW MAY HAVE DSNDED TO THE WRONG ALT WHILE ON APCH TO IAD.
Narrative: ON A VECTOR AND DSCNT INTO WASHINGTON DULLES, WE WERE ASKED WHAT ALT WE WERE DSNDING TO. I RESPONDED 3000 FT, AS OUR ALT PRESELECT WAS SET TO. APCH (POTOMAC) RESPONDED, WE SHOULD CLB TO 4000 FT. THE CAPT SWORE WE WERE GIVEN 3000 FT. I, THE PNF, DO NOT REMEMBER THE ALT APCH HAD GIVEN, BUT THE PRESELECT WAS SET AT 3000 FT, SO WE MUST HAVE VERIFIED THE ALT WAS CORRECT. WE, I RESPONDED TO ATC, 'YOU GAVE US 3000 FT.' HE SAID, 'I MUST HAVE TAKEN THE WRONG ALT FROM ANOTHER ACFT.' 2 PROBS HERE: FIRST, WE ARE FREQUENTLY GIVEN ALTS BY APCH THAT PUT US UNDER THE CLASS B AIRSPACE WITH A SPD RESTR ABOVE 200 KTS AND LEFT TO US TO SOMEHOW FIGURE OUT WHERE THE AIRSPACE IS. SECOND, WE ARE REQUIRED BY OUR COMPANY TO CALL 'IN RANGE' WITH OUR ARPT FACILITIES. BOTH TAKE AWAY TIME AND ATTN OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THING 'FLYING THE ACFT.' WE NEED SOME SORT OF GRAPHICAL DEPICTION ON OUR FMS AS TO AIRSPACE AND ALTS AND WE SHOULD ONLY CALL OUR COMPANY FOR ISSUES THE COMPANY DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT. ALSO, THE COM SYS MUST BE IMPROVED. IF WE HAD TAKEN ANOTHER ALT FOR ANOTHER ACFT, SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.