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Attributes | |
ACN | 599059 |
Time | |
Date | 200311 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : lga.vor |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3900 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Rain Thunderstorm Turbulence |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7210 flight time type : 210 |
ASRS Report | 599059 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 125 flight time total : 7550 flight time type : 825 |
ASRS Report | 598744 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar aircraft equipment : tcas aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : wx radar other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued alert controller : separated traffic flight crew : declared emergency flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 30000 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Narrative:
Proceeding direct to lga VOR from about 210 degree radial at 30 NM. Line of strong thunderstorms moving west to east was just to the left of arrival corridor. Requested deviations east. Approach granted deviations until within about 20 NM of lga, then told us we needed to turn left to a 010 degree heading. That heading would have put us into a 'wall of red' on our radar screen. Approach told us we had 12 O'clock position traffic climbing out of 3000 ft and emphasized we had to make the turn to 010 degrees. I know jfk was a factor, so we couldn't turn right where radar showed everything was clear of WX. I told first officer to declare an emergency in hopes that approach could vector traffic away from us, so we could turn away from WX. Apparently, approach could not contact traffic, because he told us the only heading he could give us was 010 degrees. We got a TA on TCASII for traffic just outside 5 NM, around 100 ft below our altitude. I started to turn slightly left of our 030 degrees. Approach asked if we could take 290 degree heading, which was much better than 010 degrees on radar, so we too the turn and cleared thunderstorm and traffic. Remainder of flight uneventful. Could have asked for a turn west much earlier when I saw line on radar. It was faster moving than I expected. Supplemental information from acn 598744: an aircraft appeared on TCASII at our altitude. That was why the controller wouldn't turn us. It was a very uncomfortable situation, between an airplane and a cumulo nimbus. We had no choice, but to fly through the bad WX. The other aircraft was apparently on jfk departure frequency, and we on lga arrival frequency.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: POTENTIAL CONFLICT WITH A JFK DEP ACR FEARED BY N90 APCH CTLR WHEN THE PIC OF AN ARR B737 CANNOT TURN TO ASSIGNED HEADING BECAUSE OF TSTM ACTIVITY NEAR HIS DIRECT COURSE TO LGA, NY.
Narrative: PROCEEDING DIRECT TO LGA VOR FROM ABOUT 210 DEG RADIAL AT 30 NM. LINE OF STRONG TSTMS MOVING W TO E WAS JUST TO THE L OF ARR CORRIDOR. REQUESTED DEVS E. APCH GRANTED DEVS UNTIL WITHIN ABOUT 20 NM OF LGA, THEN TOLD US WE NEEDED TO TURN L TO A 010 DEG HDG. THAT HEADING WOULD HAVE PUT US INTO A 'WALL OF RED' ON OUR RADAR SCREEN. APCH TOLD US WE HAD 12 O'CLOCK POS TFC CLBING OUT OF 3000 FT AND EMPHASIZED WE HAD TO MAKE THE TURN TO 010 DEGS. I KNOW JFK WAS A FACTOR, SO WE COULDN'T TURN RIGHT WHERE RADAR SHOWED EVERYTHING WAS CLR OF WX. I TOLD FO TO DECLARE AN EMER IN HOPES THAT APCH COULD VECTOR TFC AWAY FROM US, SO WE COULD TURN AWAY FROM WX. APPARENTLY, APCH COULD NOT CONTACT TFC, BECAUSE HE TOLD US THE ONLY HEADING HE COULD GIVE US WAS 010 DEGS. WE GOT A TA ON TCASII FOR TFC JUST OUTSIDE 5 NM, AROUND 100 FT BELOW OUR ALT. I STARTED TO TURN SLIGHTLY L OF OUR 030 DEGS. APCH ASKED IF WE COULD TAKE 290 DEG HDG, WHICH WAS MUCH BETTER THAN 010 DEGS ON RADAR, SO WE TOO THE TURN AND CLRED TSTM AND TFC. REMAINDER OF FLT UNEVENTFUL. COULD HAVE ASKED FOR A TURN W MUCH EARLIER WHEN I SAW LINE ON RADAR. IT WAS FASTER MOVING THAN I EXPECTED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 598744: AN ACFT APPEARED ON TCASII AT OUR ALT. THAT WAS WHY THE CTLR WOULDN'T TURN US. IT WAS A VERY UNCOMFORTABLE SIT, BTWN AN AIRPLANE AND A CUMULO NIMBUS. WE HAD NO CHOICE, BUT TO FLY THROUGH THE BAD WX. THE OTHER ACFT WAS APPARENTLY ON JFK DEP FREQ, AND WE ON LGA ARR FREQ.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.