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Attributes | |
ACN | 600357 |
Time | |
Date | 200311 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower tower : huf.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual approach : traffic pattern |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 15370 flight time type : 2125 |
ASRS Report | 600357 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 600479 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : company policies other anomaly other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance Airport Aircraft ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were high and fast when ATC turned us loose for a visual approach via a right base to runway 25L. As I could see this approach would be challenging, I orally highlighted the FAF crossing altitude to my flying first officer as a clue to get configured for a steep approach. He subsequently recognized the need to get down and configure. At approximately 1000 ft MSL, I stated 'we should go around,' yet he didn't hear me. I was about to repeat myself when I could see he was coming close to meeting our stabilized approach criteria. Reflecting on this fast-paced effort to force progress (a landing) at the expense of prudence, I regret (even though the landing was safely accomplished in the touchdown zone) not more forcefully commanding a go around -- as 'close' to meeting prescribed criteria was not meeting the criteria. Perhaps my hesitation stemmed from my familiarity with his skills, as we had flown together numerous times on another fleet. Perhaps, too, there was an element of deference as he was not long ago in the captain's seat before economic events reversed his career path. Regardless, in future approach briefs, I'll not only cover the IAP (procedure) through a possible missed, but remind us of the obligatory go around if stabilized criteria aren't met. No time for questions -- no hard feelings.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF B757 CONTINUE UNSTABILIZED APCH INTO LAX DESPITE RECOGNIZING COMPANY SOP REQUIRED A GAR IF NOT STABILIZED AT 1000 FT AGL.
Narrative: WE WERE HIGH AND FAST WHEN ATC TURNED US LOOSE FOR A VISUAL APCH VIA A R BASE TO RWY 25L. AS I COULD SEE THIS APCH WOULD BE CHALLENGING, I ORALLY HIGHLIGHTED THE FAF XING ALT TO MY FLYING FO AS A CLUE TO GET CONFIGURED FOR A STEEP APCH. HE SUBSEQUENTLY RECOGNIZED THE NEED TO GET DOWN AND CONFIGURE. AT APPROX 1000 FT MSL, I STATED 'WE SHOULD GO AROUND,' YET HE DIDN'T HEAR ME. I WAS ABOUT TO REPEAT MYSELF WHEN I COULD SEE HE WAS COMING CLOSE TO MEETING OUR STABILIZED APCH CRITERIA. REFLECTING ON THIS FAST-PACED EFFORT TO FORCE PROGRESS (A LNDG) AT THE EXPENSE OF PRUDENCE, I REGRET (EVEN THOUGH THE LNDG WAS SAFELY ACCOMPLISHED IN THE TOUCHDOWN ZONE) NOT MORE FORCEFULLY COMMANDING A GAR -- AS 'CLOSE' TO MEETING PRESCRIBED CRITERIA WAS NOT MEETING THE CRITERIA. PERHAPS MY HESITATION STEMMED FROM MY FAMILIARITY WITH HIS SKILLS, AS WE HAD FLOWN TOGETHER NUMEROUS TIMES ON ANOTHER FLEET. PERHAPS, TOO, THERE WAS AN ELEMENT OF DEFERENCE AS HE WAS NOT LONG AGO IN THE CAPT'S SEAT BEFORE ECONOMIC EVENTS REVERSED HIS CAREER PATH. REGARDLESS, IN FUTURE APCH BRIEFS, I'LL NOT ONLY COVER THE IAP (PROC) THROUGH A POSSIBLE MISSED, BUT REMIND US OF THE OBLIGATORY GAR IF STABILIZED CRITERIA AREN'T MET. NO TIME FOR QUESTIONS -- NO HARD FEELINGS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.