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Attributes | |
ACN | 602986 |
Time | |
Date | 200312 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 2143 |
ASRS Report | 602986 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 603248 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe incursion : landing without clearance non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
The first officer and the captain were distraction from the normal routine when they both noticed that there was an aircraft still in the line-up position of the approach end of runway 25L, and were discussing amongst themselves what the aircraft was doing. They noticed that the aircraft was then moving, thinking it was just taking off, but it just moved too slowly and then approached and exited runway 25L on one of the txwys. By this time the captain and the first officer failed to realize that the radio switch had not been moved and they accomplished what they thought was a routine landing. Upon landing, the crew determined the error and after the aircraft was shut down the captain contacted lax tower FAA supervisor to discuss the event. The tower supervisor informed the captain/crew, that they had been given clearance to land by the tower, and that there was no problem to be concerned about, as far as a deviation report. He stated that he was the FAA supervisor, and that he had discussed it with his staff, and that we had been cleared to land -- no issue to be resolved. He then provided the captain his name for future reference.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A320 CREW ON SHORT FINAL LNDG LAX BECAME DISTR WITH AN ACFT ON THE RWY AND FORGOT TO OBTAIN A LNDG CLRNC.
Narrative: THE FO AND THE CAPT WERE DISTR FROM THE NORMAL ROUTINE WHEN THEY BOTH NOTICED THAT THERE WAS AN ACFT STILL IN THE LINE-UP POS OF THE APCH END OF RWY 25L, AND WERE DISCUSSING AMONGST THEMSELVES WHAT THE ACFT WAS DOING. THEY NOTICED THAT THE ACFT WAS THEN MOVING, THINKING IT WAS JUST TAKING OFF, BUT IT JUST MOVED TOO SLOWLY AND THEN APCHED AND EXITED RWY 25L ON ONE OF THE TXWYS. BY THIS TIME THE CAPT AND THE FO FAILED TO REALIZE THAT THE RADIO SWITCH HAD NOT BEEN MOVED AND THEY ACCOMPLISHED WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS A ROUTINE LNDG. UPON LNDG, THE CREW DETERMINED THE ERROR AND AFTER THE ACFT WAS SHUT DOWN THE CAPT CONTACTED LAX TWR FAA SUPVR TO DISCUSS THE EVENT. THE TWR SUPVR INFORMED THE CAPT/CREW, THAT THEY HAD BEEN GIVEN CLRNC TO LAND BY THE TWR, AND THAT THERE WAS NO PROB TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT, AS FAR AS A DEV RPT. HE STATED THAT HE WAS THE FAA SUPVR, AND THAT HE HAD DISCUSSED IT WITH HIS STAFF, AND THAT WE HAD BEEN CLRED TO LAND -- NO ISSUE TO BE RESOLVED. HE THEN PROVIDED THE CAPT HIS NAME FOR FUTURE REF.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.