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Attributes | |
ACN | 606025 |
Time | |
Date | 200401 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : zzz.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 12r other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 606025 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | atc equipment : msaw other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Upon approach to ILS runway 12R with copilot flying, we were instructed to descend from 3000 ft to 1800 ft MSL. I set 1800 ft on the altitude alerter to 1800 ft and copilot verified it. We were about to intercept the localizer for runway 12R when the controller said 'turn to heading 150 degrees at 2800 ft to join, cleared for the ILS runway 12R approach.' we were passing through 2800 ft when he came back and said he had a 'low altitude alert, climb immediately.' we complied immediately, leveled at 2800 ft and completed the approach. The copilot had briefed the approach and we were aware of the 2800 ft on the ILS approach. The same controller earlier had offered us a visual on the downwind. I told him we could not because we would lose sight of the field during the approach. When he gave us the 1800 ft assignment, we thought he was giving us an MVA (controller altitude) to get under the clouds for the visual. We never went to 1800 ft and never broke out of the clouds. No passenger or crew were affected by the immediate climb to 2800 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CL-65 FLT CREW MISUNDERSTOOD THEIR CLRNC AND DSCNT BELOW ASSIGNED ALT ON AN ILS.
Narrative: UPON APCH TO ILS RWY 12R WITH COPLT FLYING, WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO DSND FROM 3000 FT TO 1800 FT MSL. I SET 1800 FT ON THE ALT ALERTER TO 1800 FT AND COPLT VERIFIED IT. WE WERE ABOUT TO INTERCEPT THE LOC FOR RWY 12R WHEN THE CTLR SAID 'TURN TO HDG 150 DEGS AT 2800 FT TO JOIN, CLRED FOR THE ILS RWY 12R APCH.' WE WERE PASSING THROUGH 2800 FT WHEN HE CAME BACK AND SAID HE HAD A 'LOW ALT ALERT, CLB IMMEDIATELY.' WE COMPLIED IMMEDIATELY, LEVELED AT 2800 FT AND COMPLETED THE APCH. THE COPLT HAD BRIEFED THE APCH AND WE WERE AWARE OF THE 2800 FT ON THE ILS APCH. THE SAME CTLR EARLIER HAD OFFERED US A VISUAL ON THE DOWNWIND. I TOLD HIM WE COULD NOT BECAUSE WE WOULD LOSE SIGHT OF THE FIELD DURING THE APCH. WHEN HE GAVE US THE 1800 FT ASSIGNMENT, WE THOUGHT HE WAS GIVING US AN MVA (CTLR ALT) TO GET UNDER THE CLOUDS FOR THE VISUAL. WE NEVER WENT TO 1800 FT AND NEVER BROKE OUT OF THE CLOUDS. NO PAX OR CREW WERE AFFECTED BY THE IMMEDIATE CLB TO 2800 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.