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Attributes | |
ACN | 606168 |
Time | |
Date | 200401 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a80.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Challenger CL601 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 606168 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were at 3000 ft minimum vectoring altitude. We heard controller say cleared for visual approach. I began a descent to traffic pattern altitude of 2500 ft MSL. Controller called back and asked why we were at 2500 ft instead of 3000 ft. We said that we understood cleared for the visual approach. The controller disagreed. I believe that it was possible that he may have said, 'expect a visual approach,' but my copilot and I heard, 'cleared for the approach.' maybe a change in terminology would help or discontinue the use of 'expect.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CL60 ON VECTORS TO ATL BEGINS DSCNT FOR VISUAL APCH BEFORE CLRNC WAS ISSUED.
Narrative: WE WERE AT 3000 FT MINIMUM VECTORING ALT. WE HEARD CTLR SAY CLRED FOR VISUAL APCH. I BEGAN A DSCNT TO TFC PATTERN ALT OF 2500 FT MSL. CTLR CALLED BACK AND ASKED WHY WE WERE AT 2500 FT INSTEAD OF 3000 FT. WE SAID THAT WE UNDERSTOOD CLRED FOR THE VISUAL APCH. THE CTLR DISAGREED. I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE THAT HE MAY HAVE SAID, 'EXPECT A VISUAL APCH,' BUT MY COPLT AND I HEARD, 'CLRED FOR THE APCH.' MAYBE A CHANGE IN TERMINOLOGY WOULD HELP OR DISCONTINUE THE USE OF 'EXPECT.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.