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Attributes | |
ACN | 609355 |
Time | |
Date | 200402 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jax.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1700 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : jax.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 13 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 3300 flight time type : 900 |
ASRS Report | 609355 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : localizer bar - no flag warning other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : provided flight assist flight crew : overcame equipment problem |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance Cabin Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
We were told to 'maintain 2000 ft until the localizer, cleared ILS runway 13 approach' while on dogleg. The autoplt was engaged and in use at this time. Since we did not have any DME or a stickmap, I was following along on the legs page. The localizer started to move erratic and bounced off the side. We notified the controller that our localizer was acting erratic. Moments after that call, the localizer stabilized again and appeared to center on the HSI. Since I knew we were getting close to the final approach course and the GS was stable and indicating an above glide path profile, I disengaged the autoplt to assist in the turn to final and began a descent out of 2000 ft. After that, the localizer really started bouncing all over the HSI. I leveled off at 1700 ft and added power to climb back to 2000 ft. I remember the captain calling the controller that the localizer was completely unreliable. While we were still in IMC, I pushed up the power, pulled back on the yoke, and began trimming the aircraft. I experienced some spatial disorientation feeling I had a climb indication due to the acceleration and force on the yoke. The captain said, 'hey, you've got to climb.' I said 'yeah, I'm trying' and traded some airspeed for altitude and climbed back to 2000 ft. I had not initiated a go around as at this point I had no idea where I was without a stickmap, course guidance, or DME. I do remember noting how unusual it felt to climb the aircraft with gear down and flaps 15 degrees, again, adding to my spatial disorientation. The controller was excellent and noted we had gone through the localizer course to runway 13. She gave us a snap vector to runway 7 and an ASR below the clouds. She was outstanding! We broke out and runway 7 was right in front of us. During all this confusion we never had any 'red flags' in our instrument cages. Upon landing, we spoke with the ground controller as they inquired about our aircraft. Another pilot joined in and mentioned it sounded like a passenger was using an electronic device. After we shut down, I asked the flight attendant if he observed anyone with any devices on and he said he did. This frustrated me, however, I can't prove that a passenger did have a device on. I asked the flight attendant to please be aware if he sees a passenger with a device on again to be more vigilant in telling them to turn it off. Some lessons and observation learned, 1) I should not have disengaged the autoplt, 2) I should have anticipated the spatial disorientation being in IMC and how differently the aircraft feels trying to climb partly configured, 3) I could have told the captain sooner that I was disoriented as he would have been ready to fly the aircraft if necessary.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737-300 FO FLYING RPTS LOC ERRATIC AND UNRELIABLE DURING FINAL APCH AT 2000 FT. UNABLE TO DETERMINE IF PAX ELECTRONIC DEVICE CAUSED LOC MALFUNCTION.
Narrative: WE WERE TOLD TO 'MAINTAIN 2000 FT UNTIL THE LOC, CLRED ILS RWY 13 APCH' WHILE ON DOGLEG. THE AUTOPLT WAS ENGAGED AND IN USE AT THIS TIME. SINCE WE DID NOT HAVE ANY DME OR A STICKMAP, I WAS FOLLOWING ALONG ON THE LEGS PAGE. THE LOC STARTED TO MOVE ERRATIC AND BOUNCED OFF THE SIDE. WE NOTIFIED THE CTLR THAT OUR LOC WAS ACTING ERRATIC. MOMENTS AFTER THAT CALL, THE LOC STABILIZED AGAIN AND APPEARED TO CTR ON THE HSI. SINCE I KNEW WE WERE GETTING CLOSE TO THE FINAL APCH COURSE AND THE GS WAS STABLE AND INDICATING AN ABOVE GLIDE PATH PROFILE, I DISENGAGED THE AUTOPLT TO ASSIST IN THE TURN TO FINAL AND BEGAN A DSCNT OUT OF 2000 FT. AFTER THAT, THE LOC REALLY STARTED BOUNCING ALL OVER THE HSI. I LEVELED OFF AT 1700 FT AND ADDED PWR TO CLB BACK TO 2000 FT. I REMEMBER THE CAPT CALLING THE CTLR THAT THE LOC WAS COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE. WHILE WE WERE STILL IN IMC, I PUSHED UP THE PWR, PULLED BACK ON THE YOKE, AND BEGAN TRIMMING THE ACFT. I EXPERIENCED SOME SPATIAL DISORIENTATION FEELING I HAD A CLB INDICATION DUE TO THE ACCELERATION AND FORCE ON THE YOKE. THE CAPT SAID, 'HEY, YOU'VE GOT TO CLB.' I SAID 'YEAH, I'M TRYING' AND TRADED SOME AIRSPD FOR ALT AND CLBED BACK TO 2000 FT. I HAD NOT INITIATED A GAR AS AT THIS POINT I HAD NO IDEA WHERE I WAS WITHOUT A STICKMAP, COURSE GUIDANCE, OR DME. I DO REMEMBER NOTING HOW UNUSUAL IT FELT TO CLB THE ACFT WITH GEAR DOWN AND FLAPS 15 DEGS, AGAIN, ADDING TO MY SPATIAL DISORIENTATION. THE CTLR WAS EXCELLENT AND NOTED WE HAD GONE THROUGH THE LOC COURSE TO RWY 13. SHE GAVE US A SNAP VECTOR TO RWY 7 AND AN ASR BELOW THE CLOUDS. SHE WAS OUTSTANDING! WE BROKE OUT AND RWY 7 WAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. DURING ALL THIS CONFUSION WE NEVER HAD ANY 'RED FLAGS' IN OUR INST CAGES. UPON LNDG, WE SPOKE WITH THE GND CTLR AS THEY INQUIRED ABOUT OUR ACFT. ANOTHER PLT JOINED IN AND MENTIONED IT SOUNDED LIKE A PAX WAS USING AN ELECTRONIC DEVICE. AFTER WE SHUT DOWN, I ASKED THE FLT ATTENDANT IF HE OBSERVED ANYONE WITH ANY DEVICES ON AND HE SAID HE DID. THIS FRUSTRATED ME, HOWEVER, I CAN'T PROVE THAT A PAX DID HAVE A DEVICE ON. I ASKED THE FLT ATTENDANT TO PLEASE BE AWARE IF HE SEES A PAX WITH A DEVICE ON AGAIN TO BE MORE VIGILANT IN TELLING THEM TO TURN IT OFF. SOME LESSONS AND OBSERVATION LEARNED, 1) I SHOULD NOT HAVE DISENGAGED THE AUTOPLT, 2) I SHOULD HAVE ANTICIPATED THE SPATIAL DISORIENTATION BEING IN IMC AND HOW DIFFERENTLY THE ACFT FEELS TRYING TO CLB PARTLY CONFIGURED, 3) I COULD HAVE TOLD THE CAPT SOONER THAT I WAS DISORIENTED AS HE WOULD HAVE BEEN READY TO FLY THE ACFT IF NECESSARY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.