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Attributes | |
ACN | 609477 |
Time | |
Date | 200402 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : als.vor |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 32200 msl bound upper : 33800 |
Environment | |
Weather Elements | Windshear Turbulence other |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 48 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 24 |
ASRS Report | 609477 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 609477 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude inflight encounter : turbulence non adherence : clearance other anomaly other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | aircraft : automation overrode flight crew flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : overrode automation flight crew : regained aircraft control flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Weather Aircraft Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | Environmental Factor |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Airframe overspd with resultant altitude deviation. We were level at FL330, 30 mi east of the ALS VOR. The flight had been smooth, the seatbelt sign was off. ATC had been queried as to ride conditions and the response was just occasional light chop at our altitude. The FMA's were mach, altitude, cruise, navigation. I was using selected speed, varying the mach between .76 and .80 as we had experienced some light mountain wave and a CAT report was in effect for mountain wave in our sector. The cockpit lights were turned down, and I felt I was closely monitoring the speed in an effort to balance the wave activity with trying to maintain our flight plan mach number of .80. We were 25 mins late due to a mechanical problem prior to leaving. Without warning, we experienced a severe turbulent jolt and mountain wave, accelerating 20-25 KTS, at least 10 KTS into the overspd range. The aircraft pitched up and gained almost 1000 ft. Instinctively (from my boeing days), I disconnected the autoplt and then the autothrust system. I brought the thrust to idle and tried to hold the aircraft steady so as not to exceed what looked to be a critical pitch angle. At some point, the aircraft lost energy and started decelerating towards vls. I pitched the nose down, eventually losing almost 2000 ft. Before we had a chance to call ATC, ATC asked us how our ride was. We made the severe turbulence/mountain wave report with them as we were climbing back to FL330. All the passenger (it was a full flight) were seated at the time of the incident, but 2 flight attendants were standing in the aft galley. They were able to grab and hold on to the handles located near the doors. The contents of the galley were distributed across the galley floor. Neither of them were hurt (thank goodness). The other 2 flight attendants were seated in their jumpseats. We reported the incident to dispatch and wrote up the overspd and the severe turbulence encounter in the logbook. I have 3 questions: 1) I feel as though I might have exacerbated the situation by getting rid of the autoflt system. With my level of experience in the airplane, I was very narrowly focused on the ADI, and used what I feel this morning were abrupt movements to try to counteract the forces. Should I have left the autoplt on and let the airplane protect itself? 2) what criteria constitutes a severe mountain wave encounter? 3) is the implication of structural damage in a severe turbulence encounter a reason to give more consideration than I did to a possible diversion? I hope we can help answer some of these questions with the information. This seems to be a bit trickier than riding camels! Supplemental information from acn 609480: the captain was acting as the PF as required following IOE. The captain did exactly what I would have done if I were the PF. However, it is worth discussing whether pilot actions might have exaggerated the situation. Note: this is the second overspd situation I have experienced on the airbus. Both instances occurred suddenly, with little warning, and no reaction time to fix the situation. Callback conversation with reporter acn 609477 revealed the following information: the captain advised that the air carrier is giving this event significant scrutiny. Investigation of the DFDR and the quality assurance recorder determined that despite the disconnect of the autoplt by the captain, the actual climb was initiated by the overspd protective mechanism of the FMGC. The subsequent descent was at a speed above the 'alpha' protection floor and was the result of manual pilot input responding to rapidly decaying airspeed in the downward flow side of the wave. It is certain that, had the crew not intervened, the alpha protection mechanism would have produced a result not unlike the pilot input since descent and maximum thrust would have been necessary in some combination to arrest the decaying airspeed. The captain and the company are concerned regarding the implications of these sorts of FMS driven automatic recovery mechanisms in the future when rvsm airspace reduces separation at flight levels consistent with severe mountain wave probability to only 1000 ft. Reporter suggested that consideration ought to be taken to restricting rtes with known mountain wave issues so as to not allow rvsm separation criteria.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF A320 ENCOUNTER MOUNTAIN WAVE OVER ROCKY MOUNTAINS, GAIN 800 FT DURING OVERSPD PROTECTION MANEUVER AND THEN LOSE 2000 FT TO PREVENT STALL ON BACK SIDE OF WAVE.
Narrative: AIRFRAME OVERSPD WITH RESULTANT ALTDEV. WE WERE LEVEL AT FL330, 30 MI E OF THE ALS VOR. THE FLT HAD BEEN SMOOTH, THE SEATBELT SIGN WAS OFF. ATC HAD BEEN QUERIED AS TO RIDE CONDITIONS AND THE RESPONSE WAS JUST OCCASIONAL LIGHT CHOP AT OUR ALT. THE FMA'S WERE MACH, ALT, CRUISE, NAV. I WAS USING SELECTED SPD, VARYING THE MACH BTWN .76 AND .80 AS WE HAD EXPERIENCED SOME LIGHT MOUNTAIN WAVE AND A CAT RPT WAS IN EFFECT FOR MOUNTAIN WAVE IN OUR SECTOR. THE COCKPIT LIGHTS WERE TURNED DOWN, AND I FELT I WAS CLOSELY MONITORING THE SPD IN AN EFFORT TO BAL THE WAVE ACTIVITY WITH TRYING TO MAINTAIN OUR FLT PLAN MACH NUMBER OF .80. WE WERE 25 MINS LATE DUE TO A MECHANICAL PROB PRIOR TO LEAVING. WITHOUT WARNING, WE EXPERIENCED A SEVERE TURBULENT JOLT AND MOUNTAIN WAVE, ACCELERATING 20-25 KTS, AT LEAST 10 KTS INTO THE OVERSPD RANGE. THE ACFT PITCHED UP AND GAINED ALMOST 1000 FT. INSTINCTIVELY (FROM MY BOEING DAYS), I DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT AND THEN THE AUTOTHRUST SYS. I BROUGHT THE THRUST TO IDLE AND TRIED TO HOLD THE ACFT STEADY SO AS NOT TO EXCEED WHAT LOOKED TO BE A CRITICAL PITCH ANGLE. AT SOME POINT, THE ACFT LOST ENERGY AND STARTED DECELERATING TOWARDS VLS. I PITCHED THE NOSE DOWN, EVENTUALLY LOSING ALMOST 2000 FT. BEFORE WE HAD A CHANCE TO CALL ATC, ATC ASKED US HOW OUR RIDE WAS. WE MADE THE SEVERE TURB/MOUNTAIN WAVE RPT WITH THEM AS WE WERE CLBING BACK TO FL330. ALL THE PAX (IT WAS A FULL FLT) WERE SEATED AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT, BUT 2 FLT ATTENDANTS WERE STANDING IN THE AFT GALLEY. THEY WERE ABLE TO GRAB AND HOLD ON TO THE HANDLES LOCATED NEAR THE DOORS. THE CONTENTS OF THE GALLEY WERE DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE GALLEY FLOOR. NEITHER OF THEM WERE HURT (THANK GOODNESS). THE OTHER 2 FLT ATTENDANTS WERE SEATED IN THEIR JUMPSEATS. WE RPTED THE INCIDENT TO DISPATCH AND WROTE UP THE OVERSPD AND THE SEVERE TURB ENCOUNTER IN THE LOGBOOK. I HAVE 3 QUESTIONS: 1) I FEEL AS THOUGH I MIGHT HAVE EXACERBATED THE SIT BY GETTING RID OF THE AUTOFLT SYS. WITH MY LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE IN THE AIRPLANE, I WAS VERY NARROWLY FOCUSED ON THE ADI, AND USED WHAT I FEEL THIS MORNING WERE ABRUPT MOVEMENTS TO TRY TO COUNTERACT THE FORCES. SHOULD I HAVE LEFT THE AUTOPLT ON AND LET THE AIRPLANE PROTECT ITSELF? 2) WHAT CRITERIA CONSTITUTES A SEVERE MOUNTAIN WAVE ENCOUNTER? 3) IS THE IMPLICATION OF STRUCTURAL DAMAGE IN A SEVERE TURB ENCOUNTER A REASON TO GIVE MORE CONSIDERATION THAN I DID TO A POSSIBLE DIVERSION? I HOPE WE CAN HELP ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS WITH THE INFO. THIS SEEMS TO BE A BIT TRICKIER THAN RIDING CAMELS! SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 609480: THE CAPT WAS ACTING AS THE PF AS REQUIRED FOLLOWING IOE. THE CAPT DID EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE IF I WERE THE PF. HOWEVER, IT IS WORTH DISCUSSING WHETHER PLT ACTIONS MIGHT HAVE EXAGGERATED THE SIT. NOTE: THIS IS THE SECOND OVERSPD SIT I HAVE EXPERIENCED ON THE AIRBUS. BOTH INSTANCES OCCURRED SUDDENLY, WITH LITTLE WARNING, AND NO REACTION TIME TO FIX THE SIT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR ACN 609477 REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE CAPT ADVISED THAT THE ACR IS GIVING THIS EVENT SIGNIFICANT SCRUTINY. INVESTIGATION OF THE DFDR AND THE QUALITY ASSURANCE RECORDER DETERMINED THAT DESPITE THE DISCONNECT OF THE AUTOPLT BY THE CAPT, THE ACTUAL CLB WAS INITIATED BY THE OVERSPD PROTECTIVE MECHANISM OF THE FMGC. THE SUBSEQUENT DSCNT WAS AT A SPD ABOVE THE 'ALPHA' PROTECTION FLOOR AND WAS THE RESULT OF MANUAL PLT INPUT RESPONDING TO RAPIDLY DECAYING AIRSPD IN THE DOWNWARD FLOW SIDE OF THE WAVE. IT IS CERTAIN THAT, HAD THE CREW NOT INTERVENED, THE ALPHA PROTECTION MECHANISM WOULD HAVE PRODUCED A RESULT NOT UNLIKE THE PLT INPUT SINCE DSCNT AND MAX THRUST WOULD HAVE BEEN NECESSARY IN SOME COMBINATION TO ARREST THE DECAYING AIRSPD. THE CAPT AND THE COMPANY ARE CONCERNED REGARDING THE IMPLICATIONS OF THESE SORTS OF FMS DRIVEN AUTOMATIC RECOVERY MECHANISMS IN THE FUTURE WHEN RVSM AIRSPACE REDUCES SEPARATION AT FLT LEVELS CONSISTENT WITH SEVERE MOUNTAIN WAVE PROBABILITY TO ONLY 1000 FT. RPTR SUGGESTED THAT CONSIDERATION OUGHT TO BE TAKEN TO RESTRICTING RTES WITH KNOWN MOUNTAIN WAVE ISSUES SO AS TO NOT ALLOW RVSM SEPARATION CRITERIA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.