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Attributes | |
ACN | 610293 |
Time | |
Date | 200403 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dca.airport |
State Reference | DC |
Altitude | msl single value : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Rain |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc.artcc tracon : pct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : bocko 6 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 610293 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Cleared to cross druzz at 15000 ft by ZDC. Handed off to potomac approach. Potomac cleared us to aml, 10 mi west of druzz, to 'resume the arrival.' we continued our descent towards aml at 8000 ft. Problem: 'resume the arrival' can lead one to believe they are to comply with crossing restr -- even though they are 'expect.' corrective actions: 'resume the arrival, maintain XXX altitude' would remove all ambiguity.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ARR ACFT DSNDING IN CONTACT WITH PCT, QUESTIONS ATC PHRASEOLOGY REGARDING STAR PROCS.
Narrative: CLRED TO CROSS DRUZZ AT 15000 FT BY ZDC. HANDED OFF TO POTOMAC APCH. POTOMAC CLRED US TO AML, 10 MI W OF DRUZZ, TO 'RESUME THE ARR.' WE CONTINUED OUR DSCNT TOWARDS AML AT 8000 FT. PROB: 'RESUME THE ARR' CAN LEAD ONE TO BELIEVE THEY ARE TO COMPLY WITH XING RESTR -- EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE 'EXPECT.' CORRECTIVE ACTIONS: 'RESUME THE ARR, MAINTAIN XXX ALT' WOULD REMOVE ALL AMBIGUITY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.